King's Bishop

[jp702006]

To me, this is the race that we should be talking about. There were 8 horses that had run faster than Runhappy coming into this race. He should have went off at 25-1, yet only went off at 11-1. Any thoughts? Also, there were some decent sprinters in here, but 2 of the slowest horses in the race shipping in from Ellis Park run 1st and 2nd. What are the odds of that? If someone would have given me Private Zone, Flintshire and Keen Ice, I still could not have come up with this one.

[ringato3]

No mystery at all.

Put down your thorograph figures and open up the DRF pps and handicap the race.   Horse was much faster on beyer and competitive.  

90 percent of the public uses beyer figs.

Horse very usable on beyers.

No red board.   I used TG and tossed the horse.   Was with a group of 5 gamblers, none of them read sheets.  4 of the 5 had the winner on a spread ticket in the pick 4.

Rob

[P-Dub]

Its a TG board, so most handicapping analysis pertains to the TG figures.

I use TG sporadically, and another product for daily play. On my other data, the #11 Runhappy had certain pace advantages that would have made him playable.

[ringato3]

Paul

Well aware it is a TG board.

The poster was questioning how the horse could only be 11-1 off \"slow figs\"

While a TG board, we don\'t set the odds, mostly the general public does.  This horse looked better on other data.

Not saying what was \"right\".  But 11-1 not a surprise.  At all.

Rob

[jp702006]

Thanks for the feedback. Good call btw on Flintshire. Hope you made some money. I used Flintshire, I just didn\'t have the nerve to single.

Patrick

[Bet Twice]

My money was on Holy boss in the horizontals ( and a little on watershed in case he was a freak) but I don\'t think either of those two were impossible on TG.   Both of the two I mentioned had question marks (bounce and/or distance) with the rest of the field being fairly level in terms of projected numbers imho.  Alan actually said Limousine liberal was a use and Runhappy had paired up his last two suggesting a forward move was possible.

[Boscar Obarra]

I already posted the answer in another thread earlier.

 \'They\' owned the pool.

[FrankD.]

Rob,

We must love to disagree but I do respect any opinion backed up by a valid argument.

His high Beyer is a 98 earned on a muddy track, a horse with a 442 Tomillison on an off track. His next highest Beyer for all the toilet paper they are worth is a 94 which is 7th fastest of the 11 starters?

This was a good Old Fashioned put over on a day with lots of $$$ in the pool.
Vini Vedi Vici:
They came, They took the purse down and a couple of empty suitcases went home full. Maria Borell is the highest % trainer in the country!

Frank D.

[Fairmount1]

Wire to wire winners back to back.  Guys, see Frank D\'s post about the track treatment.  I have more I could add but I\'ll just ask, is Runhappy deserving of a better figure than Private Zone?  This is where TGJB was ahead of the curve with figure making.  (Real interesting how this shakes out fig wise.)  

22.43, :44.54, 1:08.17, 1:20.54, Race 8, Runhappy


22.67, :45.10, 1:08.53, 1:21.09, Race 9, Private Zone

[jp702006]

I remember your post, I just don\'t remember who \"they\" were.

[Boscar Obarra]

As Frank D posted just now simultaneously, they be the guys with the bulging suitcases.

[jp702006]

Thanks for the information. I enjoy reading your insights and analysis. Keep up the good work.

Patrick

[ringato3]

Frank,

I am not keeping score, but u aren\'t doing too well on our disagreements...... I was given a win on the upstart discussion and the pick 4 played out about as expected in the middle legs.  

Should u ask for a recount on the Violette discussion based on today\'s non-performance?

U can excuse the figures, but a 94 - 98 beyer pattern was solid here.

This was no put over.   Lots of people bet this horse in the place I was at.   Just not me.....

Rob

[P-Dub]

ringato3 Wrote:
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> Paul
>
> Well aware it is a TG board.
>
> The poster was questioning how the horse could
> only be 11-1 off \"slow figs\"
>
> While a TG board, we don\'t set the odds, mostly
> the general public does.  This horse looked better
> on other data.
>
> Not saying what was \"right\".  But 11-1 not a
> surprise.  At all.
>
> Rob

That came out wrong.

What I meant to say, is that I don\'t want to come on this board and talk too much about other racing products.  Wanted to keep it brief.

In no way did I intend for it to sound like that.  My apologies.

[Boscar Obarra]

It was not a big shock and it was not a putover in the classic sense.

 But it was a loaded race, at least on paper, and by my analysis, the public has the horse at 20-1.

 The 10-1 was from concentrated betting by a VERY few. Trust me.