Carpet Champ trained by gutless trainer......

[jimbo66]

P-Dub,

BTW, I have sworn off Mike Smith bashing for at least 5 weeks.  Nice aggressive front-running ride on Thorn Song yesterday, where he really knuckled down on the horse in the stretch and he/the horse would not let Victor Espinoza by.  (and Victor is a pretty strong rider in the stretch himself).  

Made up for a disappointing Met Mile for me.  Now I LOVE Mike Smith......  For at least a few weeks.

[jimbo66]

Ancient Richie Bee,

I am not sure about you being 20 years older than me.  I 42 and aging very fast. Every photo that goes the wrong way adds a month to my age  Covelj may be a pup, but Silver Charm gives his age away with some of his posts, and I would set the over/under at 58.5.  

I hear you about Saratoga losing some of its lustre.  The world does change and the racing world does not revolve around the spa meet.  

Respectfully disagree with you though on most of your post.  Yes, there are diluted fields in New York, relative to 10 or 15 years ago.  However, I will take this Belmont meeting over the ridiculously diluted Hollywood park meeting any day of the week and twice on Sunday.  I am pretty sure that not even our resident west coast apologist P-Dub could argue that 4 races a day at hollywood with 5 runners, is good for racing.  To me, it epitomizes the fallacy that is synthetic racing.  Horses were supposed to be sounder, safer and be capable of longer campaigns.  Funny how old NY Dirt racing has so many bigger fields than the carpet racing out west.

[P-Dub]

jimbo66 Wrote:
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> P-Dub,
>
> Finally a response from the guy I thought was
> baiting with this thread.....
>
> I expected to hear from you, not Congaree and
> smalltimer...
>
> She beat Ginger PUnch on dirt and beat her
> handily.  IT counts and for my money, it is her
> 2nd best race, behind the BC Win last year.  Even
> though all the horses she beat in the BC were
> diminished by the surface, she did beat a quality
> field.  Having the best dirt horses from the east
> go out west and race her on carpet is better than
> nothing, but not the same thing as her traveling a
> bit and taking on challengers on dirt.  It seems
> from some of the posts here that Shirreffs is a
> popular guy on the board, but read the article on
> DRF.  His words are ugly.  \"When you get closer to
> Breeders Cup time you don\'t want to ship around
> too much\".  Huh?  It is Memorial day weekend!!!
> The Breeders Cup is 5 months away.  He is worried
> about her having to ship and return to California
> and be ready in 5 months?  Gimme a break.  That is
> a ridiculous statement.  Other horses are shipped
> to the Middle East and come back and run in a
> month or two.  Horses ship coast to coast all the
> time.  He can\'t do it ONCE with this filly?  Is
> she made of porcelain?

Jimbo,

I\'m a west coast guy, but that doesn\'t mean I can\'t be objective about the sorry state of racing out here.  I hate synthetics, but since they are here I just live with it.

Agree with everything you say about the lack of shipping, etc..  Just didn\'t agree with the Pepper\'s Pride or \"overrated\" comment.  The rest I agree with for the most part.

Glad you mentioned that ride Smith gave Thorn Song yesterday. He\'s always been really good up front and that race was no different.  Nice price too.

[richiebee]

JB:

I wanna be the defensive coordinator for the TG v Rag game.

I know all of their plays are going left.

[marcus]

Jimbo is well with-in his right to say what he did . Imo-  It\'s a shame if the trainer doesn\'t want to run that Horse at Saratoga  - bring it on ...

[basket777]

A Strange question

When an owner races a horse isn\'t the objective to win?  if it an\'t broke why fix it.

[jumpnthefire]

true she would probably never lose if they ship her to golden gate or portland with that logic

[basket777]

No need when grade 1\'s and 2\'s are raced in souther Cali.

Just in case you forgot  she was off 7 months and won a grade 2 at first asking.

Most owners, people would think that is very good.

if it an\'t broke why fix it?

[spa]

This has been a pretty vulgar thread. Reminds me of CtC,during the good old days..........

[jumpnthefire]

there lies the problem are these races worthy of gr1 or 2? btw you said the objective was to win so what does it matter against who?

[P-Dub]

jumpnthefire Wrote:
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> there lies the problem are these races worthy of
> gr1 or 2? btw you said the objective was to win so
> what does it matter against who?


Bayakoa and Paseana, to name 2,  have won these races. I think that would make them worthy, no??

[basket777]

The few horses I have owned I could not care whom my horse beat.  Just that it won.

Maybe somewhere horse owners get more if there horse beats someone on your list.  

Let us know so we can crossenter.

[jumpnthefire]

i have no issue with any1 trying to win or have a perfect record but id rather IMHO lose in a grade 1 full of grade1 filly and colts giving her all then anything to me and maybe only me that means something...

[P-Dub]

jumpnthefire Wrote:
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> i have no issue with any1 trying to win or have a
> perfect record but id rather IMHO lose in a grade
> 1 full of grade1 filly and colts giving her all
> then anything to me and maybe only me that means
> something...


Huh??  Could you please mix in a period or comma??

Period  .
Comma   ,

It make it a lot easier to understand your point.

[jumpnthefire]

my bad P-Dub... my point is trying to win something thats not on the EASY ROAD gets more respect from me