Gotham

[Jkev]

I never posted here before, I don\'t need to talk myself up, on the other hand I see your adds for all the great horse you advised on, it\'s not so impressive is it what about the tons of people you ran out of the business with your wise advice, if you had any ability you would own horses on the derby trail not 2500 claimers, right Jerry


PS you did a great job advising M sedalack did\'nt you he is doing great

[miff]

\"The question which has not been addressed (and might not be answered honestly) is how Achilles warmed up for Dominquez\"
 
Rich,

I agree that the truth may never be known. Ernie Pag took the time to address the various comments about himself and the performance of AOT.I can only say that the performance of AOT was so far below this horses ability that it seems logical to think that he was not 100% himself yesterday for some unknown reason. His trip was ugly but this horse is too talented not to even make a run.

As far the gate break et al mentioned by Ernie, it just seemed that AOL was totally empty yesterday and just threw a clunker.If AOL is really ok, I\'m sure we will see him soon.

Mike

[richiebee]

Mr Paragallo:

     You sing the praises of Ms Pedersen as a trainer, but the truth is that with her at the controls you have won at a 10 - 12 % clip during her tenure at NYRA; most of the trainers who you mention that are willing to train for you (not on a private basis I imagine) maintain a much higher win percentage than Ms Pedersen has. What has prevented you from making a trainer change until this point?

     My opinion is that you are so essentially involved in the day to day training of and decision making regarding Paraneck horses that it is only fair to the betting public that you be listed as trainer of record. It might be only
fair to yourself if you hired a high percentage trainer and relinquished some of your control of the day to day operation.

     As a long time NYRA supporter, I appreciate the fact that Paraneck starts more horses year in, year out than any other owner. I just don\'t understand why you wouldn\'t want to hire a trainer who would allow you to win more of these races.

[TGJB]

Ernie-- I tried to stay out of this, despite you doing your nonsense on my site, but you just won\'t let me. And you are such an easy target.

1-- Who did I run out of the business? What 2,500 claimers?

2-- Mike Sedlececk has trained exactly 3 Graph Racing horses, other than that I haven\'t been involved with any horses he has trained in over a decade.

3-- You never posted here-- except for all those JKev posts last week praising what turned out to be yourself? Or was someone else who can\'t spell, using the same e-mail address?

4-- Last year, when you were having your fire sale, a bloodstock agent gave me the list of the 50 or so horses you were trying to get rid of. There were about 5 on the list worth even considering, independent of price. Now, it costs about 4k a month, all in, to keep a horse in training in NY, but a lot of those were hurt and on the farm, so let\'s be generous and say it averaged 2k. That\'s 100k a month in training, vet and van bills-- that\'s $1.2 million a year, before counting the cost of buying/breeding/raising 50 thoroughbreds (a couple of million). As Ed Koch would say, how you doin\'?

5-- Haven\'t got much time for this, because I\'m heading for Dubai tonight with Super Frolic in the World Cup. Will I see you there?

I\'m only involved with about 15 horses right now. Aside from the ones we just bought that haven\'t run for our guys yet, about half have won or placed in stakes, and most of the 15 will make their next start in stakes.

[Jkev]

in regard to how i am doing    ALOT BETTER THAN YOU. do you want to compare balance sheets??



Good luck with super frolic,, BUT YOUR SHEETS SHOULD TELL YOU STAY HOME AND SAVE THE TRIP MONEY YOU HAVE NO SHOT,   as far as all your stake horse how many are in real stake races with a chance???

[TGJB]

Ernie-- you are too easy a target. I\'ll let you walk away.

[dlf]

Don\'t let him walk away...this is far too entertaining.

[Jkev]

No, You should be very happy that i let you walk away

[basket777]

Guys  us AOL Im service for you stuff  its fun to read but.

[TGJB]

Tell you what, \"Kev\". I\'m kind of busy today getting ready to leave, why don\'t you come back Thursday or Friday of next week.

Hmmm... there\'s a guy I barred from this site, maybe I\'ll give him a day pass to have a conversation with you. Now THAT would be entertaining...

[shanahan]

and to think...it all started with a simple \"he\'s all class\" comment.  And he proved it all by himself right here on this very board!

[miff]

Guys,

I think it\'s fair game to discuss racing stuff with Ernie Pag and have your opinions. The guy does a lot of good things without looking for a pat on the back.Keep it about racing and alls fair.

[shanahan]

Miff - you are right, I\'m dropping it.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

miff Wrote:
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> Sometimes they go into the gate perfectly sound
> and go bad somewhere in the race. How do you
> distinguish? I do not believe that many vets and
> connections send one postward knowing their horse
> is lame but you can see gimpy cheap claimers going
> postward fairly frequently.

Have to agree with Miff. Achilles of Troy is/was far too valuable a horse to send out gimpy. No way they would risk him after what he\'d already demonstrated on the track. Its quite possible this rumor of being off originated with a disgruntled trainer who formerly handled the horse. There may have been a disagreement regarding his readiness for the Gotham and that may be one reason why that former trainer is out.

Not altogether sure Achilles was gonna win that race regardless.

Oops, there I go again opening my mouth. Ernie P. spoke up to clarify and think we\'ll have to conclude that what he says is closest to the factual basis of it.

[miff]

\"Not altogether sure Achilles was gonna win that race regardless\"


Chuck,

I thought if he ran near his best,he was too fast for that group, especially on his home court.I do not believe he could run that poorly, unless he was not himself on Saturday.

Mike