Gotham

[marcus]

I\'m Guessing Keyed Entry backed up a little bit on the negative number - his action when running seemed dull , though he was trying .  The Gothem looked like an inner track race w/ the horse on the lead at the first point of call win\'s . Shame about Achilles of Troy , I\'m seeing his pattern now with 20/20 hindsight ...

[elkurzhal]

tmon,
I would suggest a refresher course on the pattern stats.  Goto the redboard room and download the Mother Goose ROTW.  

[shanahan]

Alan B - again, thanks for pointing this horse out - made me reconsider and examine the sheet again, for which I make a quick $230+ on the exacta...and where was the class (owner?) in this easy field?

Sorry, could not resist...

[bobphilo]

Just realzed I hadn\'t posted that Like Now was the most likely to pick up the win if the top 3 faltered in the Gotham on this board. I had poted that on my group site Friday but forgot to do it here. Sorry about the apparent red boarding.

I\'m actually feeling quite stupid when 3 of my top 4 completed a $936 Trifecta and I didn\'t bet it. Same situation in the Rebel, except the pay-off was lower. I gotta get more consistent with my Exotics betting strategy.
Trifecta bets have a lower win percentage than than Exactas and Win betting and one should not give up on them after a short string of losses. Got caught in the
switches on this one.

Bob

[miff]

All sorts of stories that Achilles of Troy was not going well on Friday and that Ernie Pag considered scratching but was advised by new \"trainer\" Amonte(under and over is 2 months before he\'s fired)that the colt was fine.Amonte was heard to say that Dominguez butchered the ride on AOT.For that alone, he should be fired. Domiguez had no horse at any time and I doubt seriously that Amonte has a clue.

[JohnTChance]

The exercise rider, the state vet and others knew that ACHILLES OF TROY hasn\'t been right. He\'s been sore all week

[Ron G.]

Where\'s Sweet Catomine\'s connections when we need them.

[SoCalMan2]

I bet and lost a considerable amount of money on Sweet Catomine last year and Achilles of Troy on Saturday.  In both cases, it turns out that right after the race in question, everybody knew the horse was lame but running anyway.  If this is true, there really needs to be some consumer protection.  I feel like a chump for betting on horses that everybody knew was lame.  Maybe the track vetrinarian needs to be very publicly identified everyday.  Publish vetrinarian stats -- how many horses does the vet stop from running.  How many horses that the vet lets run break down?  Maybe if these stats were widely available, bettors could temper their betting confidence according.   I am curious what the names are of the vetrinarians that let these two high profile horses that everybody knew were lame to run.  They should have to answer to the public.  

[basket777]

Not sure but if a vet let a horse run that she/he knew was broken down she/he would lose there licence. so the list would be short and a new one would apear weekly if

[congaree1]

This will never happen, that\'s why it\'s called a gamble. It sucks to here that you are a sheet player and lost a considerable amount of money on heavy chalk.

Smarting up!

[Uncle Buck]

I feel your pain SoCalMan2. The last time I bet a sizeable amount of coin on a nag was the 2000 Derby. I laid 5 dimes on The Deputy. When I watched Fu Peg win under a hand ride I felt like committing hary kary. Since then - the most I\'ve bet on one race is $500...

The bear got me and you good it looks like. I know trainers out west and I can;t even trust them when they say their animal should run big. For my money (make that big money) the best bet in gambling is either black or red on the roulette wheel or some of the college football games. I have had consistent good luck winning large sums on these events but my heart and soul lies at the racedtrack...

Better luck next time...

UB

[miff]

Sometimes they go into the gate perfectly sound and go bad somewhere in the race. How do you distinguish? I do not believe that many vets and connections send one postward knowing their horse is lame but you can see gimpy cheap claimers going postward fairly frequently.

[Jkev]

 This is in reply to this out of line statment and the other out of line statements in this forum.


I have never caredabout any of these chat rooms and I have never responded to any statements, but my office manager who has this account on this forum has been e mailing me comments made on this forum and this last one is just outlandish.


 First off whoever said Achilles of Troy was lame all week and everyone knew it is a blantent liar or a flat out moron. He was never lame at all, he worked on wed with Ramon and he said he went better than ever, he walked on thurs, on fri he jog and gallopped the exercise rider who has gotten on him every day since before he started his winning streak said he did not act the same he was not pulling at the bit, he never said he was off. I have no idea why this was but his left foot was warm but he seemed to jog fine for the trainer and the vet.
His blood was pulled this morning and the results are pending. He had digital x rays and scans done on both his front legs and he shows nothing even remotley wrong, he is very strong this morning and in fact is meaner than he has ever been. If someone seen him off this week I would like them to identify themseleves because they are liars.

 The second point nowhere does it say that the horse had his head sideways when the gate opened causing him to break last and having to be rushed up into a traffic jam going into the first turn and having to be checked 3 times and then having to go 5 wide into very slow fractions. it looked like a carbon copy of the race he ran 4th behind trailing twelve except for being left at the post.

 As far as being vanned off the NYRA vet that had him vanned off is the same unqualified vet who tried to put down Bush\'s Song on the track last year claiming she had a shattered back leg, she in fact had the needle in the horses neck until Jennifer Pedersen stopped her. Bush\'s Song in fact had no injuries but she bled thru the nostrils causing her to tyr up on the track, she camr back to the races and won and placed in a couple of races and has since been bred to artax. if the vet had her way she would be dog meat. The vets name is Jennifer Durenberger and that case was brushed under the carpet because we did\'nt want to cause NYRA anymore embarrasement. After she came back to the barn with Achilles she said there was nothing wrong with the horse.

  And as far as the poster on this forum making comments about \"class\", he stated that he meet me at my daughters sweet 16 party and that i was cold to him when he asked me about horse. First off I never talk to anyone about my business during family events, I take away enough time from my family conducting my business, second off if you were working why were\'nt you doing your job and not bothering the people you are supposed to be working for, why don\'t you stop hiding behind your screen name and make youself know to me, you know where I am every racing day come by and make your comments to my face, if you have the class to do that, as i have the class to call you a coward degenerate gambler right to you with you knowing exactly who I am.

   And  regarding Jennifer Pedersen, I have taken a lot of bad press for this move, but it is the right move under the circumstances, Jennifer is one of the finest horsemen in the country when she is on her game, with her health problems and family tragedies she needed time to get things worked out. The only problem is she does\'nt reconize that she is not herself. I offered her another position in Paraneck until she was ready to train again and it was for a very lucrative salary where her and her family would not have any worries until she was ready to come back, but I guess she wants to do things on her own. As I told Jerry Bosart in the NY Daily News \' the horses would be in Frank Amonte\'s name until Jennifer was ready to come back\".

  And last regarding trainers not wanting to work for me, this is the biggest joke in history. There is not 1 Trainer who can train that would not take horses for me. Dutrow ( trains NY Hero for me), Pletcher,Frankel,Baffert, J Jerkens, Assmusson, Louie Albertroni ( he is begging to come back, and he will have horse in Del for me), Nick Zito, Jim Reyerson, Randy Bradshaw, Labocetta, Violette, you name it they want to train for me. So whoever said I have a problem getting trainers and that no one wants to train for me is misinformed or is being told by trainers who would never have a chance to train for me because af lack of ability and there are many of them. I know Jennifer said I was hard to train for , but this was said for different reasons .



Regards

Ernie Paragallo

[richiebee]

A racetrack makes money by putting as many animals in the gate as they can for any given race. Any state vet who attempts to be conscientious and scratches animals who are a little bit sore costs the track money and will be replaced in due time.

The case of Sweet Catomine was very disheartening in that it seems like both racetrack and state personnel were aware that all was not right with SC, and yet she was allowed to run. If SC, a heavy favorite, scratched, the total handle on the race would have been greatly decreased. Ditto Achilles in the Gotham. Conflict of interest: Money v Well Being of Animals. Guess who usually wins that match up?

Ed Fountaine, who writes for The New York Post, said in his Sunday coverage of the Gotham that the \"track vet\" saw nothing wrong with Achilles post race. As such it is not likely that this vet would have seen anything BEFORE the race. (Fountaine, in a great piece of journalism during the time when NYRA\'s future was \"day to day\", pointed out a bit indignantly that among the cutbacks in the interest of austerity was that a free lunch was no longer provided in the press box).

The question which has not been addressed (and might not be answered honestly) is how Achilles warmed up for Dominquez.

[TGJB]

Ernie-- I\'ll let others deal with the 50 or so other things, but you seriously want to attack someone else for using a screen name? You posted several times here not only not identifying yourself, but referring to yourself (and talking yourself up) in the third person. To say nothing of calling the trainer you now say was good a \"hat rack\".