bc question

[richiebee]

Johnny:

If you had any sense of Horse Racing beyond yesterday’s results and tomorrow’s entries, you would realize PETA, no matter what you think of them (I don’t pay much attention to them at all, as the hunk of London broil marinating in the kitchen would tell you), have done more to bring about change in Racing in the last 6 months than Farish, Phipps, Janney, JB and the Jockey Club have done in decades. Timmy and Belinda would never have gone on their crusade unless there were 30 fatalities, and the pressure they faced,PARTIALLY due to PETA and that group’s ability to manipulate social and mainstream media.

Cruelty to animals will be scrutinized closely, and if Racing’s foes are able to convince the mainstream that Horse Racing is cruel, game over, grab the golf clubs, take up bocce, or bet the races in a country where the sport/business has been managed better than here.

[Fairmount1]

I honestly do not want to wager against the BC happening (not b/c I don\'t believe it is a real possibility but rather b/c I do not seek to bet on something that would be damaging for horse racing).  

However, in the vein of a friendly wager for charity centered around a successful Breeders Cup at SA, I will make a counteroffer.

The week of the BC, after entries are drawn, we each pick a contender in the BC Classic and bet $100 head to head for a charitable purpose.  The person with the pick that finishes ahead of the other chooses the charity of choice for the other to donate $100 to before the end of the calendar year. If a Dead Heat, we both donate.  

Deal?

Alex\'s Lemonade Stand Foundation Fighting Childhood Cancer is my charity of choice should I win the wager.
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If you go to live racing, I would be happy to discuss further with you.  I\'ll be at Saratoga for Whitney weekend, Kentucky Downs for the Saturday after Labor Day, and at Keeneland opening Saturday.  Let me know if you will be at any of these as they draw closer.

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kencbs Wrote:
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> Does anyone know if Hollendorfer will be able to
> run horses in the BC?

From the Louisville Courier Journal newspaper --
\"The Stronach Group, which owns Santa Anita Park, on Saturday forced Hall of Fame trainer Jerry Hollendorfer to vacate his stalls at the track after a fourth horse of his died at the track this year. It’s uncertain whether Hollendorfer will be allowed to compete at the track during the Breeders’ Cup.\"

[skitimber]

Whatever is going to happen will happen regardless of our bet and if the BC doesn\'t happen, you will at least have enriched a charity by $300!  As far as your counteroffer, I honestly can\'t do a head to head - \"sadly\" I\'m on a cruise from Oct 17 - Nov 10:

https://www.vacationstogo.com/fastdeal.cfm?deal=14769

so won\'t be doing anything with the races unless they can miraculously bring up live racing on those two days at sea.

Let me know if you change your mind; I do understand your concern and as 3-1 is your fair price, no overlay you need to jump at!

Maybe next year on the head to head with a change (maybe more; plenty of time and open to suggestions:)  We each pick one horse for the two days (best bet) and the one whose horse pays more on an across the board bet wins.  If both horses bring zero, costs us each $100 to charity.  And if others want to get in, could be interesting/fun.  

By the way, I booked the cruise as the BC became less likely (just kidding!)

Good luck this year; obviously I think you\'ll have races to bet on.

[johnnym]

Richiebee
#1) How do you know what I have a sense off?
#2) I do have enough sense to realize PETA has a agenda and that is to get rid of the sport. As a politician once said never let a good crises go to waste.
#3)  I also have enough sense to realize the majority of the changes that were made had nothing to do with facts,but based on pure emotional response.
4) All this being done at a facility that is owned by a family suing each other
#5) That is in a state that is In shambles.

Either way Richie it’s being held at Santa Anita and lets all hope for the best.

[Rich Curtis]

\"That is in a state that is In shambles.\"

 No problem. CA should just take its budget surplus and buy Kentucky.

[jerry]

I like your idea of prepaid long term insurance. It will weed out some of those fringe players who have to race unsound horses just to stay in the game.

Eliminate pain masking medications and race day anti-inflammatories. If the horse is hurt, don’t race him. If you can’t afford to keep him in the barn, sell him. If the horse can’t race without them, retire him. Plus, it’ll cull some of the more unsound bloodlines from the breeding shed.

If this has the effect of shrinking the game, good. The industry needs a healthy pruning.

[Rich Curtis]

\"If the horse is hurt, don’t race him. If you can’t afford to keep him in the barn, sell him. If the horse can’t race without them, retire him.\"

This will either help or not help.

If it does not help, the sport will be banned.

If it does help, the sport deserved to be banned years ago.

What we are on here is a slow-motion, metaphorical and literal death march. The logic doesn\'t add up. The rhetoric doesn\'t add up. The numbers don\'t add up. The entire sport is guilty as hell, and I am one more JohnnyM post away from joining PETA myself.

Long-term, the only way I can see out of this Devil\'s math is to find a way to broaden the discussion of animals until the entire society has been shamed to the core and is sitting next to horse racing in the dock. Then horse racing will look anodyne by comparison. Then it might get a second chance, which, of course, it will fu## up.

[Bet Twice]

Awfully bleak picture, Rich, but can’t say I disagree.  Regardless of death count at a particular track over a specific period, its going to be hard to overcome the underlying cruelty of the sport in the long run.  The Fox viewers will call it the “snow flake” culture, but the reality is times are changing and that will continue to expand to animals, and not just the PETA nuts, but broader segments of society.

[jerry]

The sport works just fine in Europe and Australia. You can argue that it’s more culturally integrated in those places. I would argue that it has been better managed. I think we’ve just let the abuse in this sport go unchecked for so long that the cultural backlash was inevitable. When the trainer of a race horse who has broken down in a race and has been euthanized, goes into the room where the horse’s dead body is being held and proceeds to saw the broken leg off of the horse and make off with it, it’s hard to rally around the sport. It’s filthy. And the track owner’s know it. They just don’t give a shit. So long as the wagers are pouring through the windows and they’re getting their cut they’ll let you run a horse on three legs. The damage to this sport in this country was completely self inflicted.

[Rich Curtis]

I hope that everybody interested in this subject will find a way to read the lifetime past performances of Kochees: slowly, from the bottom up, and in the context of the situation at SA.

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Rich Curtis Wrote:
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> I hope that everybody interested in this subject
> will find a way to read the lifetime past
> performances of Kochees: slowly, from the bottom
> up, and in the context of the situation at SA.

Really sad. He was a hard-knocker. 1 year off -- then 2 years off -- then another year off. A few races in between the layoffs while he was dropped in price. Then he fractured. No sympathy from me on whatever happens to the connections. Good riddance.

[toppled]

7.1 hit SoCal tonight. 99.99% chance that does not happen in Louisville.

[skitimber]

https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/san-francisco-giants-oakland-athletics-world-series-earthquake-bay-area-candlestick-park-101715

[P-Dub]

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