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Rich Curtis

#15
June 25, 2019, 09:34:16 AM
\"The NFL made a dramatic turn in the right direction when they acknowledged the damage to players that concussions were causing.\"

  The NFL does the right thing only after it has exhausted the alternatives. Then it demands credit and expects people not to laugh. Take a look at the Steelers\' offensive line in the mid-1970s. You\'ve got these guys (Clack, Kolb, Webster) bench pressing over 500 pounds and they aren\'t even weightlifters. They are football players whose bodies get beaten to a pulp. This was at the same time that the Arnold Schwarzenegger documentary Pumping Iron came out. The book of the same name discusses steroids in detail. Any idiot could see what was going on there. And it is still going on in the NFL today--in modified form. Anybody who doubts this should Google the \"drug-tested\" 1990 Mr Olympia contest and watch a Youtube video of these \"clean\" athletes.

\"I wish there was one national authority to rule the sport of horse racing\"

What if the \"one national authority\" sucks?

\"Dr. Sue Stover, a professor and veterinarian from UC Davis, says that more than 85% of horses that break down on the track had a pre-existing issue that was exacerbated.\"

What percentage of horses who did not break down on the track had pre-existing issues?

\"I hope I don\'t come off as speaking from a soapbox.\"

Not in the least. I appreciate your post. My point is that anybody who looks at a day\'s worth of results will see performances from a lot of horses whose trainers have precisely one excuse: They did NOT know everything.

And finally: Some trainers are extremely smart and caring. They are great people. And some trainers are scumbags. And some trainers are idiots. In total, when trainers start to talk about their horses before a race, all of my instincts are to run away. As a group, what these guys know is much closer to nothing than to everything.

rezlegal

#18
June 26, 2019, 04:43:43 AM
The Drape article is so typical of horse racing coverage. Much innuendo and wimping out when they have a chance to identify the cheaters. Why the F would he not identify the trainer of Tick Tock. I just did a bit of research on Equibase  and it is a guy named Andrew Lerner who has been winning at a 33% rate this year almost exclusively in claiming and starter allowance races. Must be the shoes!

rezlegal

#19
June 26, 2019, 04:45:58 AM
and before that the infamous William Morey! and so it goes.

rezlegal

#20
June 26, 2019, 05:11:48 AM
and finally-  Lerner learned his” trade” from Mike Pender- who was ordered off grounds by SA.

Strike

#21
June 26, 2019, 08:46:20 AM
rezlegal Wrote:
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> and before that the infamous William Morey! and so
> it goes.


\"The California Horse Racing Board on Tuesday filed a complaint against trainer William Morey alleging violation of CHRB Rules 1843.5 (i) and 1629 pursuant to Rule 1887.

The complaint further alleges that Morey\'s assistant trainer administered a substance containing an alkalinizing agent via a dose syringe to two horses that were entered to race at Santa Anita Park that same day, March 29, 2019.

Alkalinizing agents can raise the TCO2 levels of horses, which may reduce lactic acid buildup and prevent muscle fatigue.

March 29 was the first day of racing at Santa Anita since March 3 after track officials ordered a self-imposed hiatus due to a spike in equine fatalities during racing and training since the meet\'s opening day on Dec. 26..\"


At least this is a start. Unbelievable that his barn would do such a stupid thing the very first day back after the track was closed.

Strike

#22
June 26, 2019, 08:56:51 AM
rezlegal Wrote:
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> and finally-  Lerner learned his” trade” from
> Mike Pender- who was ordered off grounds by SA.


On June 3, 2019, the board of stewards at Santa Anita Park suspended trainer Michael Pender for 30 days for violation of two of its rules: #1887 Re: Trainer to Insure Condition of Horse and #1902.5 Re: Animal Welfare.

The administrative action stems from a complaint filed by the California Horse Racing Board (CHRB) on April 11, 2019, alleging the following:

“Trainer Pender knowingly worked a horse “New Karma” after a veterinarian examination disclosed a fracture in the horse’s left front leg. The horse was shipped to Golden Gate Fields where it was entered to race but subsequently scratched due to its injury.”


My final post on this matter. Racing has to weed these guys out. They are not representative of anything any of us wants. One-by-one they must go. Unfortunately this has been going on for a long time -- but by only a few. (My trainer scratched one of my horses because \"his coat wasn\'t bright enough but be is perfectly sound.\" That is what I want to be around).

Rich Curtis

#23
June 26, 2019, 09:51:57 AM
PETA wants horse racing abolished. In pursuing that goal, their biggest mistake is in continuing to focus so much on horse deaths. That opens them up to too much statistical randomness, which will kill their momentum. Instead, they should focus on the cruelty of horses racing with nagging injuries. They should demand that horses be in perfect condition before they are allowed to race.

Santa Anita\'s biggest mistake is in failing to broaden the discussion into the horrific treatment of animals across the board. In addition to being the right thing to do, this would allow them to make the people who are attacking the sport look like what they are: grandstanding hypocrites who ignore the atrocities that are all around them and instead focus on one high-profile grain of sand. Don\'t let your enemies score their \"I care about animals\" points on the cheap. If you\'re going to go down, go down in a noble cause and take a few billion people with you.

albatross

#25
June 26, 2019, 04:16:10 PM
Three friends and I have been planning a trip to The BC in Arcadia and then a little beach time down the coast into the opening of The Bing Meet the following Friday. Unfortunately, with this news, it seems like they have to move to CD. A lot can go wrong in five weeks at SA prior to November. 11 days in Louisville just doesn’t have the same appeal. Although, I’m sure the Ohio River views will be quite the bargain compared to La Jolla. Whatever the decision is, I hope it’s soon after the meeting.

johnnym

#26
June 27, 2019, 12:41:34 PM
Staying at Santa Anita
100% correct move
What were Fairmont1 odds again?

albatross

#27
June 27, 2019, 12:56:04 PM
I’m with you. Surprised but happy. Still scary.

Fairmount1

#28
June 27, 2019, 02:10:37 PM
Below is what I originally posted.  If I could wager I would place a small wager on \"No BC\" at 3-1.  If the law described in the article posted by FrankD is effective immediately allowing the immediate suspension of racing, tell me what happens when two horses go down out there on the Thursday before BC....

Racing continues to make beyond baffling decisions to my eye.  I have heard and read all the arguments on both sides and don\'t need them recounted here.  I truly hope nothing happens and it all goes off without a hitch.  But I\'m truly concerned about the days and weeks leading to the BC out there when SA opens again as well as beyond worried about the days of the event damaging the game beyond what it already has endured this year.

As Joe B says, \"Good Luck\" to the BC on this one. If something happens, the blood is on THEIR Hands if something goes wrong....

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Santa Anita, 8-5
Churchill, 3-5
No BC in 2019, 3-1

richiebee

#29
June 27, 2019, 02:27:49 PM
For Johnny and Albatross:

If you want the BC to be run at Santa Anita this fall, you have a vested interest
in every race run in California between now and the end of October. You want them
all to come home safely, each and every race at Del Mar at SA and even at the
fairs.

In my OPINION, an awful decision by the BC people. An irresponsible decision, but
I have not read all the material yet and maybe CD was not interested in hosting?

For Johnny:

Your voice was heard. The late NYRA Pick 5 is open to all players beginning on
July 3.
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