Where's the outrage???

[johnnym]

Jerry:
For the same reason reason I toss Pletcher in the Derby and Preakness.
Team TG does very extensive trainer stats and I am quite sure we all take this into consideration when handicapping.

I have been around gambling my whole life I\'m approaching 50 know. I had family members run numbers,I new the wise guys growing up as a kid. I use to go to Belmont at 6,7,8 years old watch the ponies with the family see the old folks get excited to cash a ticket and see the smiles on there face to talk trash. In a old school Italian family those memory\'s really stick As a young boy.

Growing up I use to bet football mostly pro, Pro Football as a sport has lost me can\'t stand it any more. Moved over to college ball still love it but to wager $110 to get back $100 to much to ask to be profitable.

Went over to the ponies educated myself trying to learn the ropes it has been profitable for me. I will give credit were it is do I learned a lot from this board. Went from keying one horse up and down in exactas to using A/B/C horse how to form tickets etc.

I am not about to give this up no friggen way.
If I loose all of my degenerate self then I become a grouchy old man and talk about the good old days.

To a newbie I love this board read it 5 times a day, however as I mentioned some of the sharpest minds in this game visit here. I feel sometimes some of them get to cute and try not to see the trees from the forest.

Never loose the passion for something you love,yes we all fall of the beam and not to get political there is BS everywhere in this world.
When I download the TG and the family knows that Daddy is betting the ponies today and I am on my porch drinking a scotch smoking a cigar and trying to cash tickets and my wife ask me how are you doing today something about that just seems alright.

I wish everyone here the best
Happy Fathers Day.

[TGJB]

That guy died young, I think motorcycle accident. Without looking it up, name the other great movie he was in.

[Rich Curtis]

I didn\'t know. I asked my mom, who is an encyclopedia on these matters. She asked me if you know that This Gun For Hire is better than Citizen Kane.

[P-Dub]

johnnym Wrote:
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> Until that day
> occurs he is what he is the GOAT!
>

> Good Luck
> John

Charlie Whittingham must be turning over in his grave.

[P-Dub]

johnnym Wrote:
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> John:
> With the passion of your post I did some DD.
> Yes Baffert had 7 horses kick the bucket and a
> autopsy was given to them all.
> Findings,they all had a thyroid medication on
> board not illegal by the way and two had trace
> amounts of rat poison. Fyi the rat poison is not
> used in Cali and they determined the amount was
> not significant enough to raise any flags.
> Bottom line he was not brought up on any charges.
> Now I ask you,if you are convinced of Bafferts
> magic potion,was he on all your tix Belmont day?
> If not then who is stupid?
> Respectfully
> John

You completely miss the point.

[TGJB]

Almost everything is better than Citizen Kane. Not Alan Ladd, the kid.

[Rich Curtis]

I couldn\'t even name the kid, let alone the movie. My mom says it has to be Hud. And if you have a 3rd movie question for her, she\'ll think it\'s Mother\'s Day.

[phil23]

Will just echo everyone who called this the post of the year. It sure is. Well said John, bloody well said.

Last Saturday by the time American Anthem had rolled into the stretch of the Met I was ready to throw up.

And nary a word from those in charge or those in print or on tv or radio about the improbability of this, save for homilies to Baffert\'s greatness.

Appalling.

[TGJB]

Mom is always right. Paul Newman\'s kid brother.

Guy who directed that one was a racetracker, also directed Casey\'s Shadow.

[johnnym]

APny:
Dortmund was ruined my Chrome. Chrome gutted that horse in the San Diego handicap and he was never the same.
Arrogate repaid the favor in the the BCC, Chrome was all lathered up on Pegasus day thru in a clunker.

[jerry]

Yes, they all have access to the latest, greatest supplements and training techniques. But just a few of them have access to \"other things\".

[Furious Pete]

\"You completely miss the point.\"

I\'m not so sure he did, because I think it\'s two different kind of points to be made here.

The point Johnny is on about, is that we all have seen it many enough times now to be able to anticipate it. How many times should one really try to beat Lance Armstrong out of the yellow jersey before it gets stupid to even try? I guess we have learned now, later, that he could\'ve won those Tour De Frances with half an hour every year if he wanted to. 1/5 on him winning would\'ve been a gift if we knew for sure then what we know for sure now.

The other point, of course, is how could one stop it?

I don\'t disagree with anyone saying that it hurts the product of US Racing to have these guys around because it makes the market even more of a \"sucker\" market than it already is. The \"dodgy\" aspects of US Racing is one of the main reasons why I prefer to take most of my action elsewhere. And I sure as hell try to avoid risking too much on the really big days, when there really are big bucks to be made. (implied; I like the insiders chances better than mine)

No, it shouldn\'t be like that, but is it a way to stop it?

We don\'t even really know if what he does actually is illegal, it can\'t be fair, but we don\'t know if it\'s illegal and we don\'t know how illegal. There are LOADS of examples from endurance sports of people \"gaming the system\" finding ways to use legal medicaments in illegal ways making it almost impossible to detect if one knows what one is doing, e.g overdosing on Salbutamol (asthma medicine) to get an almost \"anabolic\" effect etc, - I\'ve read some reports suggesting that there are an insane numbers of olympic medal winners that have asthma, or maybe \"asthma\", we don\'t really know (of course the official spin is that this is what one gets for pushing the limits of the human body outside in our polluted, god-forsaken nature, or in chlorine-infected swimming pools). TBH, I\'ve thought many times that they got that idea from the horse racing industry in the first place. I\'m no expert but I believe medicaments like Salbutamol is pretty closely related to Clenbuterol. Maybe there are som rat-bastard white coats out there that could confirm..?

Those that pushes the limits the most, also wins the most, but the more risk one takes the surer should one be in ones calculations and whole operation. That\'s why I believe John T. Chance is spot on when pointing his fingers towards the vets; I believe this is a \"super-vet\"-problem even more so than a \"super-trainer\"-problem. Do I have a solution? No. Not a working one, at least not one that would ever be taken seriously, but if it took off it could at least serve as a loud and somewhat amusing message to the ones responsible.

It boils down to money, human cynicism, and greed - right? How much money could one such \"super-vet\" possibly earn? How much bitterness must they be tasting watching another man get all the praise and glory for their own hard work?

What if we, \"every outraged horse player\", for once in our lives pulled in the same direction and organized a crowdfunding to \"free the super-vets\"? If every outraged horse player puts in 10 or 20 or 30 dollars each to make them stop, it wouldn\'t take long before that \"offer\" would start to get tempting. And a stunt like that is sure to go viral, gathering a lot of really bad publicity at those in charge, and those responsible. Who knows, maybe something would happen?

Think about it. 25 dollars. That\'s not much. Just skip the seminar and bet every Baffert runner instead for a year !

(Judging by the price of Practical Joke in the Derby we need more than just the T-Generates to make this happen, though! We need the \"Patchers\")

I think it would\'ve worked in England. After all they managed to put \"Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead\" on the top of the charts following the death of the dear ol\' Iron Lady ( http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead-ding-dong-1821740 )

[P-Dub]

FP,

JM said if you believed in the potion, but left off BB, who then is the idiot?

That isn\'t the point.

Its the uselessness of performance figures and handicapping in general by horses that get ridiculous numbers that shouldn\'t based on analyzing the data.

When handicapping is rendered useless because of what JTC pointed out, there is no game.

On top of that we have some people hailing the trainer of these horses the \"GOAT\".

Excuse me while I clean up the puke from my keyboard.

JTChance said all.

[jerry]

I appreciate your effort but it sounds like trying to pay drug dealers to stop dealing. Even if they were to take the deal, others will come along.

I prefer the Willy Sutton approach. Bust a trainer. Trace the source. Offer the vet to change hats or lose his license.

[Flighted Iron]

\"This mare\'s in foal to sure hit\".