Where's the outrage???

[Mathcapper]

johnnym Wrote:
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> What gets me though is some of the sharpest minds
> in the game frequent this board.
> I just wonder if sometimes we just get too cute in
> trying to beat him instead of accepting the fact
> that he is Baffert.


John -- I don\'t think any of us are specifically out to try and beat him, or any other \"supertrainer\", unless their horses look like underlays. If there\'s one thing TGJB is constantly reminding us of, it\'s to keep an eye on a trainer\'s first couple of entries when he\'s shipping in a bunch of stock for a big stakes day..

[johnnym]

Rocky:
I ask you to recall last week Belmont\'s analysis sheets.
Only one Baffert was even considered,that was Abel Tasmen in a 3horse box.
Just saying.

[JohnTChance]

The people who don’t think there’s a strong pharmaceutical element to Baffert’s success last Saturday are very very stupid. But there’s lots of stupidity going around in this world: Dennis Rodman is on his way to North Korea to talk to Kim Jong-un. And I just watched the documentary WEINER on cable. Stupidity is everywhere. It can’t be stopped!

We’ve been through this argument many times before in the past 30 years: One winter in Florida twenty years ago, there was a Canadian-based trainer named Frank Passero, who won 14 straight races at Gulfstream Park. He was hailed as a training genius! What a guy! What horsemanship! Wow! A book was written about him! Horses claimed by Passero had move-up tendencies much like what we see all the time today, and Passero’s move-ups at Gulfstream that winter particularly infuriated a lot of horseplayers. One of them was Andy Beyer, who cried foul in his Washington Post horse racing column. In response, a moron from the Daily Racing Form named Matt Hegarty scolded Beyer: How dare Andy accuse Passero! That’s not allowed! Where’s the proof? You can’t go to the bathroom without a bathroom pass! Fast forward in time to today: It turned out Passero did indeed have a move-up magic potion: A “new” “Canadian” pharmaceutical named Clenbuterol. The Racing Form might have a big B to indicate Bute or a big L to indicate Lasix to it’s readers. But it doesn’t have a big P for Peppermints or a big X, Y or Z to indicate all the other stuff racehorses get.

The secret to Bob Baffert\'s success has everything to do with his longtime vet Vin Baker. Some schmo (actually the New York Times racing writer) wrote a book a few years back titled something like THE UNTOLD STORY OF AMERICAN PHARAOH. Oooh! Gee. The inside story? Really? I saw this in a Barnes & Noble bookstore once and quickly checked the index for Baker\'s name. Was it there? No! What a joke. Books like this are meant for the broad base of unsophisticated racing fans. That is, those who believe that racehorses run merely on hay, oats and water. After a while, racing fans with half a brain and an understanding of speed figures realize that the animals they bet on are sustained and enhanced, at the very least, by legal drugs. A few years ago, the curious case of sudden deaths of 7 horses from the Baffert barn revealed a powerful thyroid drug was involved. INCREDIBLE! What else ya got? Only a moron would conclude these animals don\'t get some really really really strong stuff that really really effects them.

In the end, he who has the best (most aggressive) vet.... wins. Wins a lot. Wins preposterously. All the time. Again and again and again. And it all happens in the spaces between the numbers Jerry puts down on his sheets, behind closed doors.

[Boscar Obarra]

Well the op of the thread just got all he wanted in the way of outrage.

 Nice post.

[FrankD.]

JTC,

This is the best post that has appeared on this board in at least 2 years.

What happened on Belmont day made me sick. Bee and I had a long chat this morning about The Who, what and where\'s.... It\'s all irrelevant, the point is on one of the sports 4 biggest days of the year the conversation had to take place at all.

In fear of rattling rattling a nameless persons cage on here about red boarding losers or amounts wagered..... I\'ll leave it at yours truly used to bet a substantial sum of money over 300 days a year on a game I love and nothing else can take it\'s place. That amount this year will reach the 20 % investment level of where I was for 25 plus years and will encompass 50-60 days tops.

I look forward to seeing my many friends from here on Spa weekends,
I\'ll not be up much if at all during the week this year.

JTC, I would like to also applaud your political non correctness as to \"stupidity & morons\" YES they are everywhere and have more than their market share HERE.

Fairmount put up a detailed sequential play a few weeks ago, much like many Jimbo, myself or others have posted over the years. I sent him a text as to 3 being the over/under on responses. It was 1. Look at the many contributors that no longer post on here? Anyone ever wonder why? Why bother?
#WTF happened to handicapping?

I broke my boycott out of respect and total agreement with JTC\'s post. I\'ll not be engaging in any further dialogue.

Good luck,

FD

[hellersorr]

My!  People come and go so quickly here.

  - Dorothy

[jerry]

Circumstantial evidence also tells you to stay out of the hood after dark.

[jerry]

\"Accepting the fact that he is Baffert\". That sounds pretty close to God.

[jerry]

Didn\'t Passero also get caught using something called Fiery Jack? Not much of a horseman.

[APny]

I\'m just glad to know I\'m not the only one who feels this way.  Is it a total coincidence Baffert had a triple crown winner, has the two fastest horses in training, the top 3 yo filly (who couldn\'t win with previous trainer) and had probably the fastest triple crown prospect this year in Mastery before injury.  Total coincidence. Oh I forgot!!! Did anyone see what happened to Dortmund when he left Bafferts barn for Shermans? HA!

[johnnym]

Lol;it depends on what your looking for.
John

[johnnym]

John:
With the passion of your post I did some DD.
Yes Baffert had 7 horses kick the bucket and a autopsy was given to them all.
Findings,they all had a thyroid medication on board not illegal by the way and two had trace amounts of rat poison. Fyi the rat poison is not used in Cali and they determined the amount was not significant enough to raise any flags.
Bottom line he was not brought up on any charges.
Now I ask you,if you are convinced of Bafferts magic potion,was he on all your tix Belmont day?
If not then who is stupid?
Respectfully
John

[johnnym]

Frank:
If you happen to read this it is a shame you are or have left the board.
I\'m still a rookie here trying to learn as much as possible while raising a family,so I don\'t know when the good old days ended and what you and Jimbo are know referring to as this new board.
I noticed in Fairmounts post you referred to you didn\'t respond to it either.
Was it to prove a point?
If you decide to boycott what is the mission statement of your boycott?
To prove a point to leave the neighborhood because you don\'t care for a new neighbor that moved in?
I appreciate all the help you have given me and will miss your knowledge and your post.
I will say I don\'t understand your reasoning.
Best of luck
John

[Rich Curtis]

Shane! Come back!

[jerry]

John. It\'s not whether you use him at the windows. It\'s why you use him at the windows. Same with Oscar Barrera in the 80\'s. Same with Lukas in his day. Same with all of the \"super trainers\" that dominate the 2nd and 3rd tier tracks. They\'re wild cards. How much do you want to risk playing with a loaded deck? That\'s what\'s killing the game.