freak

[Boscar Obarra]

 Not that this will make you feel any better, but LH was 3.5 X  the price (more or less) since you figure parlays including the $2.

So its $3.40 vs 11.80Chuckles_the_Clown2 wrote:

[Saddlecloth]

propbably right, he could have ridden for third, or as he did, ridden to beat smarty jones.  ones good for the better, one is probably better for tabor and biancone.

[Silver Charm]

Post this morning by Silver Charm,

\"but this is one non-wagering vote that this undefeated Philadelphia Locomotive rolls over the top of this field just like he did Derby Day.\"

Spent the day with a couple real sharp Graphies and had an excellent time. We actually threw Smarty Jones out on the pick four ticket trying for a bomb and had five other horses going in the Preakness. And as Judge Smells told Spalding in the movie Caddyshack....\"You\'ll get nothing and like it\".

TGJB you are exactly right, the first thing out of somebodys mouth when they posted the Pick Four prices was Rock Hard Ten pays $3,500 and Smarty pays $1,500. One horse is 6-1 to win and the other is 3-5. How does that work

As far as not playing Smarty to win in either the Derby or Preakness let me say this. TGJB I think you will agree, I never doubted who the fastest horse in either race was, the numbers were obvious regarding that.What was questionable was whether or not Smarty could repeat those prior numbers, and using previous history, this seemed to be highly unlikely.

There has been a lot of talk here and elsewhere about horses like Imperialism, Eddington for days on end, Borrego, Rock Hard Ten, TCE, Tapit and many more. The point being those discussions seemed to think those horses were possibly better than Smarty Jones. Why else were people thinking they could win??

People who have given out selections other than Smarty Jones, in print, or on TV, or on the Net and I have seen plenty of them, and in the same breath critisized the Bounce Theory logic.

Whats your excuse??

[Lucy]

CtC2 wrote:

> \"I extrapolate Smarty\'s closing quarter to 24.75 in hand which is faster again than his penultimate fraction. This is horse is very good. His sire had that world record mile and this guy can go a little further. the only thing that will stop him in Three weeks is circumstances. He\'s by far the best three year old at this point.\"


do you think so?

[bccassidy]

Jerry, I have obviously never had to make numbers for any horse,and I love your numbers, but, I felt your Kentucky Derby number for Smarty Jones was too low (because of the weather and track conditions that day) if Lion Heart ran his -1 in the Derby than Smarty probably ran his -3, which would make him less of a bounce candidate in the Preakness. Do you agree with that thinking? I also think Smarty ran an incredible race fig today because of how Smith rode Lion Heart today. Smarty was 4-5 wide through the first half of the race before he realized Mike couldn\'t control Lion Heart. How much would he have won by if he saved more ground in the early part of the race? 15-18 lengths?
My comment in earlier posts about him looking like Secretariat coming down the lane in the Belmont is looking a little more possible today. I wished he hadn\'t used Smarty so hard today, Servis was obviously more worried about this race than I thought he had to be. Just my thoughts, curious what others think.

[Florida Phil]

Doug...I had a sensational day that was marred only by my belief that Smarty was due for a bounce after so many races with great numbers in so short a time.  I was wrong.  He is sensational!!

My only gripe was that Smith cost me third...which would have provided me the tri and super because I \"saved\" with Smarty winning too.  They can defend Smith all they want, he cost this horse show money with a stupid wide ride...and I agree that since his accident, he rides like a \"wuss\"....He WILL be replaced...betcha!!

[purplemike]

mike smith has been horrible for 10 years now. he thinks the rail is a place to avoid at all cost

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Lucy,

Go head and pull my leg.

Its o.k. though, I\'ve been riding Smarty every race this year.

He could bounce next. Thats always a possibility. But He\'s not a one dimensional horse like War Emblem and he\'s not facing others in the crop that he\'s only marginally better than a.k.a. Funny Cide. Though, i have a theory about the bounce in these races that tends to hold up for me.

I\'ve liked this horse a long time and the only thing that kept me from going future book on him was a very expensive lesson a few years ago. But I\'ve been getting well on him at 10-1 and 20-1 bites. However, I\'ve not forgotten having stated earlier that this was the most difficult Triple Crown year Ive ever handicapped...lol

Easy Goer was my favorite horse...but I gotta tell you I\'m getting awful fond of Smarty.

He\'s caught two tracks that were not going to allow records and I\'d be foolish to project any horse breaking Big Red\'s Belmont record. But this horse will set a track record down the road if he can stay fit.  It he were my horse, I\'d try and win the Belmont with him and retire him. He\'s just too valuable. If he can knock down a track record before he goes to stud. His initial book is gonna be massive.

[MO]

Ummm, just for the record, I think I was the first to call Smarty Jones a freak, guys.

I look forward to his figure in this race.

[MO]

I think it was clear that front runners dropped dead every race on the card save the 2nd, which was won by an odds on favorite.

Smith rode a brilliant race! That\'s right folks a brilliant race! He knew he had one horse to beat and he parked him 4 wide on the 1st turn LIKE HE SHOULD HAVE. If Smarty doesn\'t fire, LH has a chance to win. If Smarty does fire, well, he\'s gonna win by a bunch because this is a field/crop of garbage cans.

Most of us here knew 3 things going into this race:

1. Lion Heart will be on the lead

2. Mike is notorious for riding in the 3 path - especially with this horse.

3. This was a horrible betting race.

So no crying about Lion Heart losing please. I loved him in the Derby, and he got his ass kicked fair and square by a FREAK.

[big ant]

i don\'t believe SJ was wider than LH Stew has brains and ducked inside both turns.Maybe Smith should have let him run off, because being 4w both turns is guaranteed defeat

[big ant]

He wasn\'t going to beat SJ , but they pay down other slots, Smith rode like crap and he cost the horse 3rd place for sure. I never liked Smith and i have posted that here in the past, he has to be on a Cadillac to get the money.
Give me Dominguez or Bejerano any day of the week over that stiff.

[big ant]

If i knew it was $1500 i would have had it as well, i really liked that $24 horse and i really liked Gators and Bears.

[big ant]

Stew knew what was happening with Smith under the wire the first time, he actually checked slightly to keep SJ from going wider that LH. I can why Smith would try this on the first turn, but i can\'t see why he was so wide on the stretch turn, i just can\'t see it.

[Kingfisher]

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