Synthetic Surfaces and New York Racing

[Ill-bred]

I don\'t think the complaint is that Polytrack is too difficult. Most good handicappers would welcome added challenge balanced by even bigger payoffs.

The question is whether polytrack is predictable. Is it a true, consistent indicator of horse quality, i.e. does the best horse generally win the race?

I have no use for 60-to-1 shots that make no sense. That\'s for bingo/lottery players.

[imallin]

Well, polytrack being NOT predictable means it has an added challenge.


To answer your question about the best horse winning, i\'d say we\'re not sure. What i do feel is happening is that polytrack has made the ability to \'know the track\' just as important as knowing which horses are good. I think bias and pace are vital to who wins. You go too fast, you\'re toast. On a conventional dirt track i\'ve seen cheapies go 43 halfs and get nailed at the end, but hang on for the exacta or tri....on polytrack, if you go too fast, you\'re off the board...which is the way its supposed to be, right?

If there\'s a speed duel, the \'duelers\' are both supposed to be out of the tri. If one of them HITS the tri or exa, that means the track carried them to a board spot. On polytrack, you\'re not going to get carried to the line on the conveyor belt.

[davidrex]

Should some tracks stay dirt (B type),or should the high volume tracks stay dirt(type A) till the older players fade out?
Maybe a 3 track set-up would be best for high volume top notch racing facilities.(Belmont)
Can\'t you just picture a humongous oval with entertainment,shopping,CASINO,and oh yes;an underground maintainence room converted into a high-tech horse racing den with restrooms re-fitted and recycled from the previous building located upstairs and near the barns.For our protection;a secret entranceway,far from casinos or concert hall,or parking lots.No food in this cozy denizon(cleanliness is next to...), but a $5 taxi ride to the restaurant area would be available.Almost like having our own private bomb shelter(school desk,optinal)(Well did he ever return?...no he never returned)
Think I\'m on mushrooms?...go visit Philly Park...Charles Town...Delaware Park
Want to see what Federal Section 8 housing is like?Try locating your car when you exit the darknees of a casino and are subjected to the brightness of day.
Add your own favorite track/casino to the list and describe your amenities.
Ok,I just got back from Philly Park and I piggy-backed onto this popular thread to vent and start a new movement:H.S.W.H.S.C.B.P.
           HELL I\'D SIT IN WAIST HIGH SHIT IF I COULD BET THE PONIES

[Michael D.]

davidrex Wrote:
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> Think I\'m on mushrooms?





yes.

[P-Dub]

P-Dub Wrote:

\"and I doubt you were backing up the Brinks truck daily Colt\"

colt Wrote:
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> Stop trying to ram it down our throat that
> everyone must like Polyquack...As for P-dub, stick
> to what you know son...NOT what you THINK you
> saw/heard/know...I will put you ass to shame...\"


That one small comment provoked that idiotic statement??

You\'re not old enough to have a son, your little rant smacks of a 10 yr old. And if I were your son, I would obviously be adopted.

What I KNOW is that front runners, usually, are overbet.

What I HEARD is a horse owner getting tired of drugged up/milkshaked horses running on forever on a rock hard drag strip of a \"dirt\" track.

What I SAW is what I have just commented on.

If you are so inept at handicapping that the only way you can pick a winner is to find lone speed and get a single digit payout,  then I can see why you are throwing a little tantrum over Polytrack. (BTW, I\'m still laughing over you Brinks truck comment.)

Nobody is saying you must like Poly. But it looks like you better get used to playing synthetic surfaces because they don\'t seem to be going away. The TG data has held up on Cal tracks from what I have seen.

\"I will put you ass to shame...\"

What exactly does this mean?? (I\'m now laughing all over again...you are one funny dude)

[miff]

Polyquack,bet the runners that \"stagger\" less, adjust to that!! From the Mig:



Migliore was aboard for those two races. He is worried that the new Polytrack synthetic surface at Del Mar may not help a front-runner such as Bordonaro.

\"I thought it would be more like Arlington, with less bias,\" he said of the Del Mar track. \"This is more like Keeneland; horses get tired. The track isn\'t playing to his advantage. The only thing that tempers it is that he did work well over the surface.

\"I think horses will improve in their second race over it. Some look like they have the race won at the sixteenth pole and they stagger home\"



Mike

[NoCarolinaTony]

Mike

Enough already....you\'re right. You\'re always right.

Bring back the Whales.....

They stagger home.......The MIG said so.

Kee was bad with Dirt Front runners and worse bad with the Poly Folly...

Lets get the bulldozers and bring back the dirt.....I can\'t take it anymore.

NC Tony

[miff]

NC Tony,

I can feel your pain, don\'t despair your not he only one getting carried at on Poly surfaces, adjust Tony, adjust.

Mike