The Kaintuckee Derby

[rail]

The fact that I even acknowledge you is what I apologized for and am apologizing for. I\'m still awaiting your email debate. But I guess you feel you garner more attention here. I found your last post to JB interesting. You seemed so genuine in caring about his well-being. Perhaps YOU should take the 1st step and admit YOUR problem. Then YOU can start to heal. And isn\'t that what this is all about = your self-esteem. So low. Oh so low. Poor guy.

It would be nice if you would stop the name calling. And how about some consistency to your comments? Oh, that\'s impossible for you; I forgot you\'re a raggie.

Although I suspect you may be that guy from California who made is own numbers and always told us which group of horses was gonna win.

Feel free to post and the rag site. Did they censor you too many times over there?

As for the Derby, I\'ve already cited I think Saarland has a legitimate shot. Particularly since the surgery. Perfect Drift looks to included in my exotics. Essence of Dubai might get in there too.

I can\'t see putting Harlan\'s at the top of the list or Came Home.

It\'s time now to see how they all work up to the race and fill out.

[kev]

All this is fun to read. Like i said it really doesnt matter about the numbers right?? Their both good. Jerry don\'t you know of Rags user than make a living as well as TG users who does the same??

[fastspeed]

LGNB,

I\'m glad you\'re back on the derby.  I do find it scary and somewhat worrysome that it seems like everyone is mentioning the same horses (are we simply just convincing each other and patting ourselves on the back?). at the prices offered, saarland, perfect drift and essence are the three runners I\'m most interested too win-wise (in that order).  the post won\'t matter that much because of their style, so I\'ve been shopping around with a cool head.

Exotic wise, subject to making a call on harlans, in my opinion those 3 and any wood non-regressers will fill the top 2 spots.  Unfortunately if sunday break makes it in, that\'s 6 horses - before harlans. the problem with tossing the wood contenders is that the one that does not regress will screw you (as has been pointed out before this can and has happened recently - e.g. charismatic non bounce, monarchos/inky looping back etc etc).  At the prices, I\'ll go against all of them on the win but I\'m not going to have saarland get beat by medaglia and leave empty handed.  In this context I don\'t care too much about the wood figure debate, you can make a case for regression for the wood big 3 on both set of numbers (maybe more bouncy on rags but I would not want to make a case for buddha and sunday break on TG numbers either.  maybe on TG medaglia has one more pair-up (RFP tripled didn\'t he), but then again the seasoning comes into play too).

came home is a bet against for me - no way in top two.  harlans is a slight negative call right now (regressing perhaps, who has he beaten of any note?, the bg was so-so, unless you\'re biased in which case you liked it even though it was slow, it took him a furlong to get past booklet and prado hit him 7 times), but I concede that there is a chance he will fire - 10 days for me to decide, professional help will help here.  After all if the wood big 3 regress, came home and jo\'burg don\'t last, this derby won\'t take much winning.  







Excitable Boy wrote:
>
> The fact that I even acknowledge you is what I apologized for
> and am apologizing for. I\'m still awaiting your email debate.
> But I guess you feel you garner more attention here. I found
> your last post to JB interesting. You seemed so genuine in
> caring about his well-being. Perhaps YOU should take the 1st
> step and admit YOUR problem. Then YOU can start to heal. And
> isn\'t that what this is all about = your self-esteem. So low.
> Oh so low. Poor guy.
>
> It would be nice if you would stop the name calling. And how
> about some consistency to your comments? Oh, that\'s
> impossible for you; I forgot you\'re a raggie.
>
> Although I suspect you may be that guy from California who
> made is own numbers and always told us which group of horses
> was gonna win.
>
> Feel free to post and the rag site. Did they censor you too
> many times over there?
>
> As for the Derby, I\'ve already cited I think Saarland has a
> legitimate shot. Particularly since the surgery. Perfect
> Drift looks to included in my exotics. Essence of Dubai might
> get in there too.
>
> I can\'t see putting Harlan\'s at the top of the list or Came
> Home.
>
> It\'s time now to see how they all work up to the race and
> fill out.
>
>

[kev]

I will jump right in there right with you this fri. or sat. fastspeed when i get the TG sheets.

[Jim]

Well, well Excitable Boy, I guess you were being insincere after all.

You said:
\"My apologies to any I offended.\"

I found you quite offensive so I thought you were being sincere in your apology - I guess Jerry Bitter taught you well.

By the way, what e-mail debate are you talking about? I never said I wanted to debate anyone in e-mails. Frankly, you seem a bit too obtuse for me to waste my time.

If you insult me, I\'m going to insult you back. Anyone that treats me fairly, will have my respect and quite a nice and informative conversation. That\'s true for every post of mine on this board. How\'s that for consistency?

As for the name-calling? Does your term little b*tch ring a bell? Talk about being inconsistent. Congratulations, you have earned yourself another one-way ticket to Ignoresville.

[rail]

Jim wrote:
>
> Well, well Excitable Boy, I guess you were being insincere
> after all.
>
> You said:
> \"My apologies to any I offended.\"
>
> I found you quite offensive so I thought you were being
> sincere in your apology - I guess Jerry Bitter taught you well.
>
> By the way, what e-mail debate are you talking about? I never
> said I wanted to debate anyone in e-mails. Frankly, you seem
> a bit too obtuse for me to waste my time.
>
> If you insult me, I\'m going to insult you back. Anyone that
> treats me fairly, will have my respect and quite a nice and
> informative conversation. That\'s true for every post of mine
> on this board. How\'s that for consistency?
>
> As for the name-calling? Does your term little b*tch ring a
> bell? Talk about being inconsistent. Congratulations, you
> have earned yourself another one-way ticket to Ignoresville.


Was only trying to show you how foolish that all is.

And I\'m sure you realize, if you\'re reading this, I am NOT ignored.

[Jim]

In my original analysis, I mentioned who I thought belonged at the top of the list. Now I\'d like to point out some of the horses I don\'t like and why. Some of these may not go - if you already know that to be the case, my apologies.

Ocean Sound - way too slow, ran a nice race on the turf, sprinting, in his 3YO debut though

Wild Horses - also too slow, don\'t think he can make a big enough move next time out

Came Home - don\'t like him for the Derby, but he could become an exceptional sprinter/miler

Sunday Break - should bounce to the moon, but I hope he runs a decent race and the last one didn\'t knock him out because I like him and think he\'ll be a really nice stakes horse

War Emblem - think he\'ll bounce, ran to one of my favorite patterns last out when he equaled his 2YO number the race before...you just knew he\'d be poised for a big effort in the IL Derby

Straight Gin - too slow and don\'t see him making a big enough move forward next out

Saarland - think will bounce and one of those that seems to run wide every time...he has a chance, but won\'t have my money on him for the top two spots

Holdthehelm - doesn\'t belong, very slow

Proud Citizen - don\'t know his last number, but I won\'t like him no matter what it is

Lusty Latin - not fast enough in my opinion


These will probably come back to bite me in the butt, but that\'s what this is all about, right?

[TGJB]

\"Knowing\" is hard to pin down. I\'ve heard of one Raggie(Ernie), and my guess is there are others- they have a lot of customers. I do know of several who make a living using ours, notably a group in Chicago. As a general rule I don\'t know what my customers do, especially the on-line ones.

[Jim]

Finally!

No lies are slams to respond to today. Perhaps we can continue with a decent conversation here.

This Spring has, in the immortal words of Jimmy Walker, been DYNOMITE!!!

Life is f\'ing great!!