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[NoCarolinaTony]

M3,

The written word is also subjective to the way a reader interperts what is written. \"I subjectively believe\" your point was to be more insulting or deragatory than your follow up suggests.

I promised I wouldn\'t respond but couldn\'t help taking one more jab from you. I offered that the 1 earned in La Derby fit the rest of day figs. And that perhaps the Blue Grass figure was more questionable. Jimbo subsequent post is in line with my thinking. TGJB has frequesntly revisted figs in the past.

I am not going to win your circular discusion. But still am waiting to hear what you penultimate point of this discusion. It can\'t be just High Limit\'s 1 in La Derby. It sounds to me (again subjective) is that you are questioning speed figures in concept.

When you Bring Up Cigar\'s 1\'s and now compare them to High Limit you are just challenging speed figures in general.

What is your real point? (I am sure it\'s not arguing with me).

This is my last (and final) post on this subject.

NC Tony

[HP]

This exchange is hilarious.  M3, you need to take a more comprehensive approach, that\'s your problem.  HP

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Millennium3 Wrote:
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> Yeah..I know. That\'s what I said. That\'s why a \"1\"
> is a 1 for anyone that runs it. Using that
> standard, what\'s your pooint?

Essentially it boils down to this: \"A 1 ain\'t what it used to be.\" Certainly not amongst colts. High Limit is a second cut horse, no doubt about it. However, he did win the Louisana Derby and I do think Vicarage came back with a win in a lesser race recently. He finished second to Bandini in a good effort and he handled Sun King easily that race. The Derby was a complete toss for obvious reasons. In the Preakness he ran hard on a pace I suspect was hotter than many others do and he was just nosed for fourth by a clunk up Sun King. That race yesterday was an aberration. He\'s the better horse, he\'s just not a phenom and needs some things to go his way. I think he was off form. He\'ll be back with lesser quality.

[Millennium3]

And this is my last one on this topic...

I made clear my point from that start was High Limit\'s \"1\"\'s are bogus, especially the LA derby. That race this year was a poor group of racehorses, as evidenced by the fact that most or all of them have done little to nothing on the track in the four months since. Also, High Limit himself after the LA Derby has run pathetically, especially his last three, and has rung up four straight losses. I guess my thought was: blame the figure as erroneous, not the horse.

Moreover, like I said before, if you question the Bluegrass figs, that\'s tantamount to acknowledging the LA Derby figure is real suspect, since it was posted clearly here that the Bluegrass figs were based on High Limit repeating his \"1\" in the LA Derby. So how can you question one and not the other?

You\'re right about this: I know speed figures of any kind are determined a lot more subjectively than most admit. This discussion thread, with everybody weighing in as they have proves that beyond doubt. As such, the conclusions are fallible, i.e., any horse\'s given figure can be WRONG! Which, not so incidentally, has been my point all along. So I\'ll reiterate it, AGAIN:

High Limit is not as fast as TG sheets say he is. His fast race figures are wrong, and his efforts after Lousiana prove that: Couldn\'t find him with TWO pairs of binoculars at Churchill; off the board again at Pimlico; and that ugly and awful third place finish yesterday (passed in teh stretch by a horse that ran the day before, by the way). If this is the wotk of a horse firing figures of \"1\", then \"1\" doesn\'t mean what it used to, does it?

Then again, maybe Frankel\'s medical magic has just worn off.

[jimbo66]

Another stupid statement from the clown.


\"He\'s the better horse\"

but

\"He\'ll be back with lesser quality\".

Which one is it Clown?  He is the better horse, in which case he should win against that quality or he needs to compete against slower animals, in which case he\'ll be back with lesser quality.

Just one contradiction after another, one redboard after another, and more and more crap from you.....