Many many question for TG

[TGJB]

That\'s an interesting point about free charts, and if a) they don\'t have a problem with him doing it b) he can show that\'s what he did and or c)he can show how he reconfigured the data into his layout without having taken it electronically, he\'ll be okay.

TGJB,

I \"think\" the issue is the actual figures. That\'s why I think the DRF is just bullying. It doesn\'t make sense.



Post Edited (03-21-05 17:02)

[mandown]

Although the actual data is in the public domain, DRF will have certain \'sweat of the brow\' rights. The fact that they and Equibase spend time and money to input the data gives them the right to say how it can be used if they supply it electronically.

If someone wants to take an electronic feed and produce a commercial product they will be charged more than someone using the data for their personal use.

George

[BitPlayer]

I note that the Equibase website includes the following as one of the \"Terms of Use\":

5. RESTRICTIONS ON USE OF DATA
(a) You understand that information acquired hereunder is for your personal use. You agree that you will not disseminate information acquired hereunder to any third party without having first obtained the written permission of EQUIBASE.
(b) You understand that information acquired hereunder is provided for use in an online or hardcopy print environment. You agree that you will not download information acquired hereunder with the intent to database it for future use. Equibase, at its sole discretion, will determine if user activity patterns indicate that information is being used for purposes other than handicapping in an online or hardcopy print environment. If Equibase determines that information is being used for purposes other than handicapping in an online or hardcopy print environment, Equibase shall immediately terminate any subscriptions or accounts and no refunds will be issued.

[thatfigures]

Believe me, you are wasting your time if you debate this issue further. Those of us that have used those pace/performance figures know their quality and value and have seen the results..


Trifecta.

The man, the figures and the results are legit.   And more.

I have been told that DRF had nothing to do with pacefigures having to stop producing its performance figures. Apparently, there was some initial concern about what he was doing, but DRF did not bully him into stopping.

I\'ve been told that CJ has described the full situation in another forum.

[asfufh]

CH...what other forum?

[RICH]

I\'ve been following it at paceadvantage.com

[TGJB]

Rich-- I just went over there looking, can\'t find it. Where?

[beyerguy]

Here is the quote from the PA board:

\"As for the issue with DRF, it was pretty simple. They seemed to think I was just manipulating the Beyer Speed Figure somehow, which isn\'t the case. As I explained to him, the BRIS version uses different data, and comes up with the same figures. As anyone with my program can tell you, there is no database of Beyer figures anywhere in the files I send as part of the program. He informed me if that was the case, no problem, but I would still have problems with Equibase. I haven\'t heard back from him since explaining this, so I don\'t know their stance yet. DRF, and now mostly Equibase, is coming off as some villain now. As far as DRF goes, it isn\'t true. They are trying to protect something they pay a lot of money for, the Beyers, no problem. I haven\'t heard from Equibase yet, so I can\'t really comment on this. I\'m pretty sure the burden of proof would be on them though. So, lets say I was to post nothing but horse\'s names and my own Performance Figures. If Equibase wants to try proving I\'m using their charts to make them, that\'s a fight I may want to participate in, maybe not.\"

[RICH]

Also, good reading under handicap discussion-cj\'s impact.

Richie

[Saddlecloth]

Yea, I dont know where DRF is coming from with the Beyer thing as the numbers have nothing to do with Beyers.  It would be like Jerry getting a call that his numbers where just Beyers adjusted, which is ludicris.