Liams Map

[Silver Charm]

Interesting that Castellano was at Keeneland to work him on Monday morning. I\'m not aware that he rode at Keeneland on Sunday (perhaps he did) but that is long trip. It was mentioned the horse may run in either the Mile or Classic. Him getting a Mile and a Quarter with some quality early pressure is not such a sure thing. He seemed to flop out of his right lead in that work for no reason.

[Fairmount1]

JJ rode two horses on Sunday at Keeneland I believe including Mei Ling for Pletcher in the Spinster.  The other mount I think was a jockey change from Bridgmohan for Casse that ran 2nd.  EDIT:  Also rode Unbridled Daddy in the Bourbon for Pletcher.  

Heard two mentions that Pletcher is leaning toward the Classic; I think one was on twitter by a reliable reporter and the other was possibly on Byk but not 100 percent certain on that.  

Love the horse as that Whitney was unreal and his follow up win in Woodward wasn\'t bad either.  Not sure if I can play Pletcher in BC Classic though.

[ajkreider]

Ran huge in the Whitney, but how anyone expects another furlong out of that horse is beyond me.  An autotoss in the classic, especially with Beholder in there. Maybe for the bottom of exotics.

[ringato3]

AJ,

Auto toss with Beholder in the race?    Hmm...   I fail to see the connection.   Similar to saying auto toss because the race is on a Saturday.

Beholder will be WELL off any pace set by Liam\'s map and will also be behind AP early.

The 1 1/4 for Liam\'s map a good question, as is whether Pletcher can get a horse to run in the BC.

Saying a horse coming off likely the two best efforts of any horse coming into the classic, who will also not be any higher than 4th choice, an auto toss is silly.

Like him or not, he merits SERIOUS consideration for any handicapper.

Rob

[rhagood]

Just hope he runs and adds pace to AP so you can toss them both.  Winner most likely comes from the 2nd flight.

[richiebee]

What to do with TAP? Something like 7 for 103 in BC races going in to last years
races, but traditionally very strong at Kee. Yeah, I know, the testing.

Ten poles too far for Liam in my opinion, but Liam would be severely compromised
in the Las Vegas (Dirt) Mile if Private Zone shows up there.

[big18741]

Pedigree isn\'t everything but Miss Macy Sue/Trippi on the bottom is a concern at ten furlongs against this potential field.

Could be wrong but I think he needs a 2012(Fort Larned)Santa Anita like surface to help him along or a softer field to last the trip.

Liam\'s Map still wins the Woodward if they run another furlong but it\'s a little different when you have AP then Beholder making first runs at you as opposed to Bay of Plenty then Coach Inge taking their shots.

He has to give 4 lbs to the three year olds and 3 lbs to Beholder right?

[miff]

Big,

Good points but Liam already outran his distance breeding more than once.Pretty good last eighth in his last race at 9f is the reason TAP considering the Classic.Liam one of the only contenders without much methodology help to earn his lofty negative figs, defines racetrack fast.Distance and probable race dynamics on paper not great for Liam as suggested by another poster.

All of these horses in the Classic will be facing the fastest, most accomplished bunch they ever have. No horse in here \"outclasses\" the field, top contenders pretty much have solid credentials and figs.

Mike

[magicnight]

Hey, Richie. Claire Novak of BH reported that connections are leaning towards Sprint with Private Zone. If so, that figures to be some battle on the front end.

[jbelfior]

ajkreider Wrote:
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> Ran huge in the Whitney, but how anyone expects
> another furlong out of that horse is beyond me.
> An autotoss in the classic, especially with
> Beholder in there. Maybe for the bottom of
> exotics.

Beholder will not be within 5 lenghts of Liam\'s Map. No one crazy enough to attempt to run early with LM in a race of this magnitude. He\'s a 4yo Firing Line. IMO stands a better shot to run his number in the Classic where he will not have any company on the front end. Toss at your own risk.


Good Luck,
Joe B.

[miff]

Would think American Pharoah will be flanking Liam throughout, how fast they go will likely have much to do with the outcome of the Classic

[richiebee]

Magic:

I keep forgetting that BC Dirt Mile is two turner and wouldn\'t expect to see PZ
there.

I will repeat an earlier grumble ...when this race is to be run at a venue which
does not have a one turn mile course, run the race at 1-1/16th miles.

[mjellish]

For those that have Liam\'s sheet, leaving all other considerations aside, what type of number would you expect him to run based on pattern and spacing.  New top, top, off, or bounce?

[firmturf]

I wish the BC would use each venues unique track circumstances to showcase the facility.

One turn mile at BEL / CD

About a mile and three quarter down the hill for the BC Turf @ SA.

4.5 furlong under card race at Kee.

etc.

[miff]

Liam\'s Map heading for the BC mile per TAP.