Good Call Covello

Silver Charm · May 16, 2015, 03:30:54 PM

You said your sources or you yourself thought Firing Line was \"tucked up\" some after his Derby effort. Sloppy track or not the horse didn\'t run a jump today.

The best horse won. He may not win the Belmont but none of these here today will beat him....

miff · May 16, 2015, 03:41:52 PM

JB,

Good luck making a number,hee hee!

Mike

Fairmount1 · May 16, 2015, 03:59:13 PM

Gary Stevens said he weighed 15 pounds more after the race (120 before and 135 after without his helmet). Will FL get the benefit of 3 lengths in his figure? (tongue in cheek)

Horrible final time. Tale of Verve second. Divining Rod (and Pharoah) will be key to figure maker\'s decision I bet.

horsegoer · May 16, 2015, 04:05:38 PM

AP will def win the Belmont... This is the one!!!! I think he\'ll run ~neg 2. As stated in another thread I knew he\'d blow this field away but that was very clear based on the #\'s/lines.

miff · May 16, 2015, 04:05:44 PM

Tale of Verve runs 12\'s and was only beat like 4 points by AP. Pickle AP\'s fig, it\'s meaningless as to any pattern read.

swale · May 16, 2015, 04:54:46 PM

True, but based on appearance Verve looked sensational. He easily could have moved up several points.

miff · May 16, 2015, 04:58:47 PM

If Tale Of Verve ONLY moved up several points, then AP ran an X

Boscar Obarra · May 16, 2015, 05:00:30 PM

So far the AP knockers are X X. Like the beer.

toppled · May 16, 2015, 05:10:42 PM

He won by 7-What\'s he supposed to do, win by 50 so he pairs?

ringato3 · May 16, 2015, 05:11:57 PM

Swale,

The over/under for how many points Verve moved up is about 9. So \"yeah\", he might have \"moved up a couple points\".

Figures for sloppy track races are slightly more useful than an appendix or a pinky toe.

As for the belmont. Something for everybody. AP skeptics can point to the sloppy track or hang hopes on a bounce. AP fans will think the preakness confirmed that he is the real deal and comments about him not handling the track at Churchill that well were true.

Rob

Fairmount1 · May 16, 2015, 05:17:22 PM

Can running in the mud affect a quarter crack? And no mention of this the lately. Is it all good does anyone know?

I hope he makes it to the Belmont healthy to run. Would hate to have the horse not get his shot at history.

And I\'d love to know what Pletcher\'s plans are after watching the race. He has been solid in the Belmont. Could be an epic race!

Betting on a Beyer of about 102 to 105 for AP. Miff will know soon enough I hope.

ringato3 · May 16, 2015, 05:23:25 PM

Fair,

He whistled by 5+ lengths. Good guess would be the quarter crack didn\'t affect him today.

Next race. Who knows. I wouldn\'t be betting against him hoping the quarter crack acts up.

What I would do is say that the derby might be a better reflection of his distance capabilities than the slop aided preakness was, and at 1 1/2 miles, in his 4th race in 8 weeks, going against a horse almost as fast (materiality), he might be vulnerable.

Rob

Fairmount1 · May 16, 2015, 05:33:01 PM

Obviously it didn\'t affect him today.

I\'m curious if the moisture or running in the mud could cause problems with a quarter crack in the days/week/months after.....such that he couldn\'t run as he didn\'t in the BC Juvy when allegedly he had a deep bruise in his front left hoof.

Sorry if I wasn\'t crystal clear on that.

covelj70 · May 16, 2015, 05:37:13 PM

Thanks Silver.

Fwiw, I watched the Race from the Wynn Sports book during a weekend trip out here in Vegas with my wife and a bunch of other couples

This is the first time I have ever watched a triple crown race from a Vegas sports book as I am usually at the race itself.

Have to say, absolutely electric vibe in the book before during and after the race. Wonderful experience. I would highly recommend it to anyone.

i will just say this now and then disappear until after the Belmont but I think this horse is different than the others who have tried for the triple crown.

I have no interest in getting into big back and forth arguments with folks on the board who don\'t agree with that view but I have been saying for months that this is the most brilliant and best moving horse I have ever seen. Ironically, the TG numbers back that up given the Derby figure he ran and likely paired today but I understand some people have a hard time believing the numbers.

I understand any gamblers desire to try and beat him and I sent it in with both fists against chrome, big brown, smarty, etc in their respective Belmont runs but I won\'t bet a nickel against this horse in the Belmont as I think he\'s a much better horse than any of them

I know the same people who criticized my view of him before the Derby and then again after the Derby will create some other reasons to justify their prior view even after he dominated the race today which is why I won\'t be posting again until after the Belmont. I will leave all that back and forth to others.

Good luck to all.

Now onto Sat night in Vegas.....Vegas baby!!!!!!

Fairmount1 · May 16, 2015, 05:41:26 PM

For once we agree Jim. I\'m not betting against this horse in the Belmont and I have bet against with all of them including and since Smarty with the chance at the triple.

I find it ironic you are singing Vegas Baby when you think the BC should avoid Halloween. Have a great time!!

I don\'t think your opinion should stop you from posting.