Oaks and Derby day numbers

[TGJB]

The horse ran dead on his Dubai figures. Why is this even a conversation?

[sekrah]

Upstart and Firing Line were my A tier, Yes?  What\'s that have to do with Dubai horses throwing up on Churchill Downs everytime they ship in?

[sekrah]

Angela Renee is sitting on a big one.

[smalltimer]

sekrah,
Come on guy. Since you fell in love with Upstart do you have more right to call yourself a winner any more than those who fell in love with Mub? Neither horse measured up to their supporters expectations.  It happens.
Your horse wound up watching Mub\'s slow moving Dubai rear end for 10 furlongs. Why would that make them a loser and you a winner?
Back to an earlier point I made to you.  Why do you care what somebody else bets on in a race?  You almost sound like the politician who thinks he can spend your money better than you.
You totally disliked Dortman, he beat 15 horses in the race including yours.  The people who played him at least were in the hunt.
I did not like Upstart and I posted that on the forum. I played him on 19 different tickets in different spots out of respect for the combined brainpower in the room.  
Enough about this nonsense.

[sekrah]

smalltimer Wrote:
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> sekrah,
> Come on guy. Since you fell in love with Upstart
> do you have more right to call yourself a winner
> any more than those who fell in love with Mub?
> Neither horse measured up to their supporters
> expectations.  It happens.
> Your horse wound up watching Mub\'s slow moving
> Dubai rear end for 10 furlongs. Why would that
> make them a loser and you a winner?
> Back to an earlier point I made to you.  Why do
> you care what somebody else bets on in a race?
> You almost sound like the politician who thinks he
> can spend your money better than you.
> You totally disliked Dortman, he beat 15 horses in
> the race including yours.  The people who played
> him at least were in the hunt.
> I did not like Upstart and I posted that on the
> forum. I played him on 19 different tickets in
> different spots out of respect for the combined
> brainpower in the room.  
> Enough about this nonsense.


What a load of garbage you just posted.  Are you serious?  Do you even buy the ThoroGraph figures?

You\'re going to blast me for taking one of the fastest horses in the race at 20-1 odds (Which also was a seminar horse) because I laugh at people who keep tripping over themselves to bet garbage slow Dubai horses?  Why would anybody on this site who purchases Thorograph figures use Mubtaahij?  Why would someone in their right mind spend money on TG products, then bet one of the slowest horses in the race? I\'d love to hear this logic.

Oh no, I bet the fastest TG horses and best patterns, and avoided horses who weren\'t very fast.  We are all just so terrible at this.  If you bothered to see my exact tickets I posted in the pre-race picks thread, you would have noticed I cashed many tickets in this Derby race (along with crushing the Oaks).  Any ticket with Mubtaahij on it is worth good toilet paper right now. Let me know how that works out for you.

Keep betting these slow Dubai horses if it warms your heart.  I\'ll keep betting the fastest TG horses and best patterns and keep cashing tickets.

\"smalltimer\" is right.

[T Severini]

No Comment upon the infighting.

What concerns me is Upstart, who I thought was a must use. He had good numbers and consistent form and POOF he disappeared.

To me his Derby had to be \"non effort\" with no conditioning cost. If his saddle slipped or he didn\'t take to the track he could be a Preakness starter.

If he came out with a high white blood cell count or heat in an ankle that\'s a different matter.

TGJB recommended the partial acquisition and may have some relevant information.

 sekrah Wrote:
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> smalltimer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > sekrah,
> > Come on guy. Since you fell in love with
> Upstart
> > do you have more right to call yourself a
> winner
> > any more than those who fell in love with Mub?
> > Neither horse measured up to their supporters
> > expectations.  It happens.
> > Your horse wound up watching Mub\'s slow moving
> > Dubai rear end for 10 furlongs. Why would that
> > make them a loser and you a winner?
> > Back to an earlier point I made to you.  Why do
> > you care what somebody else bets on in a race?
> > You almost sound like the politician who thinks
> he
> > can spend your money better than you.
> > You totally disliked Dortman, he beat 15 horses
> in
> > the race including yours.  The people who
> played
> > him at least were in the hunt.
> > I did not like Upstart and I posted that on the
> > forum. I played him on 19 different tickets in
> > different spots out of respect for the combined
> > brainpower in the room.  
> > Enough about this nonsense.
>
>
> What a load of garbage you just posted.  Are you
> serious?  Do you even buy the ThoroGraph figures?
>
> You\'re going to blast me for taking one of the
> fastest horses in the race at 20-1 odds (Which
> also was a seminar horse) because I laugh at
> people who keep tripping over themselves to bet
> garbage slow Dubai horses?  Why would anybody on
> this site who purchases Thorograph figures use
> Mubtaahij?  Why would someone in their right mind
> spend money on TG products, then bet one of the
> slowest fucking horses in the race? I\'d love to
> hear this logic.
>
> Oh no, I bet the fastest TG horses and best
> patterns, and avoided horses who weren\'t very
> fast.  We are all just so terrible at this.  If
> you bothered to see my exact tickets I posted in
> the pre-race picks thread, you would have noticed
> I cashed many tickets in this Derby race (along
> with crushing the Oaks).  Any ticket with
> Mubtaahij on it is worth good toilet paper right
> now. Let me know how that works out for you.
>
> Keep betting these slow Dubai horses if it warms
> your heart.  I\'ll keep betting the fastest TG
> horses and best patterns and keep cashing tickets.
>
>
> \"smalltimer\" is right.

[smalltimer]

sekrah,
First of all I did not play Mub. Those that did bet Mub it didn\'t work out very well for them.
You bet one of the fastest horses in the race.  How did that work out for you?
Everything I said in my post was accurate, and I did purchase the figures and the seminar.  
You don\'t \"laugh\" at people who trip over themselves to bet garbage slow Dubai horses, you have to denigrate them, infer directly and indirectly that they are bunch of dumb ass betters.  If those people want to bet Mub, its really none of your business, think of all that money that would have been available for your horse Upstart if he hadn\'t finish where he did?
The idea that people would purchase TG products and the bet a (insert adjective) slow horse.  Same reason people purchase the product and wager on one of the fastest horses in the race who chases the entire field home.
Sek, I didn\'t \"bother\" to see what your exacta tickets were, because I don\'t give a crap what you play with your money, its your money.
The Oaks is irrelevant to this post, so try to stay on the topic.
Can you find ONE POST where I said Mub was my play?  Go ahead and look, cause you won\'t find one.
I\'m fully aware that you\'ve never lost a disagreement in this forum.  You will continue until post time for the Preakness if that\'s what you think it takes to win the argument.
I anticipate another rebuttal, so go for it.  Unless its insulting, I\'ll let you win this argument with your straw man positions, cause I assure you TGJB has probably seen enough of this little exchange.  Its a waste of time.
By the way.  I enjoy reading your stuff, I have since Pants on Fire and Super Saver and the others.  You have a lot of conviction in your selections, you never fail to denigrate others for their horse selections that you don\'t agree with, that\'s the only quality about you that I think is wrong.  You bring a lot of opinions and information to the forum, you\'ll argue with anybody to make your point.  Something to said for that. It would be nice if you weren\'t such a prick about it.

[sekrah]

T Severini Wrote:
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> No Comment upon the infighting.
>
> What concerns me is Upstart, who I thought was a
> must use. He had good numbers and consistent form
> and POOF he disappeared.
>
> To me his Derby had to be \"non effort\" with no
> conditioning cost. If his saddle slipped or he
> didn\'t take to the track he could be a Preakness
> starter.
>
> If he came out with a high white blood cell count
> or heat in an ankle that\'s a different matter.
>
> TGJB recommended the partial acquisition and may
> have some relevant information.
>


It happens. Fastest horses don\'t always fire on Derby Day, especially in a crowd of 18-20 horses.  He could come back in 2 weeks and run his eyeballs out. It\'s just something that happens sometimes.

If they bring him back to the Preakness, and he looks good in training, sign me up for another round. No sweat.

[Leamas57]

Sek:

I will take Mub over Upstart in the Belmont. Upstart is a nice horse, but since Upstart\'s \"figs\" are so superior and since Mub is such a rat (as your post suggests), you should have no trouble giving me some odds. I will take up to a franklin in action from you only.


Leamas

[TGJB]

Upstart suffered no injury, beyond that no comment, at least for now. He\'s fine.

That aside, everyone knock it off. Funny is better.

[smalltimer]

Thank you sir.  I was tired of my own comments several posts ago.

[Flighted Iron]

That aside, everyone knock it off. Funny is better

Great oaks call!! I must admit during the stretch run and after the race i was
a bit shook up. Thank you! Thank you very much!

I found i do middle road better so...

What plans do you have for the preakness seminar if you\'re only 80% on the derby numbers? multiple patterns for same horses?

Thanks,
Flighted Iron

[smalltimer]

\"That aside, everyone knock it off. Funny is better.\"  
Seriously?  It matters when TGJB says it.

[joemama]

Louis Catorze comes to mind. Ran nondescript in the derby , then went on to take the Preakness.

[joemama]

Sek and Small\'

You gotta love the passion around here.