TG and Beyer seem to agree on Wood.  Does anyone know if Rags got the Wood correct or close to correct?  Their board seems to imply they got it slow.  As stated earlier I am sure they missed the Gazelle.

miff: The Wood was legit fast on all credible data.Rags had it slower,figure probably dragged down by averaging in the Gazelle.

TGJB: I\'m not in the office so can\'t look, but by memory, wouldn\'t averaging make the Wood faster?

boston: I had same thought.  Can you explain?

miff: JB,

Dont know where you had the Gazelle,it was painfully slow, almost embarrassing. The Wood vs The Gazelle came up very fast if you made the variant off the 2 races at 9f and did not go totally off the horses.Wood figs tricky for me given the 2nd horse\'s figure, he\'s a rat I\'m very familar with.

From what you wrote before here about Rags not breaking out races but averaging same distance races it seemed that\'s the only way it could be slower.Did not see the Rags for the Gazelle but to my thinking that would be faster by the averaging,not the Wood.No idea what Rags did that day.

FWIW,Beyer and TG have the Wood the same, two other sources used have it a little slower and Rags has it the slowest converting all in the usual manner.

Mike

TGJB: Now that I went back and refreshed my memory, it\'s worth noting there were hurricane level winds on Wood day, which for reasons previously discussed can play havoc with figure makers. I took some liberties-- if not, the Wood would have to be even faster or the Gazelle even slower.

miff: Was tough day and because of that have trouble with the figs for the first two based on their prior races.

TGJB: Again, I ADDED substantially compared to the Gazelle (about 3).

Michael D.: TGJB Wrote:
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> Now that I went back and refreshed my memory, it\'s
> worth noting there were hurricane level winds on
> Wood day, which for reasons previously discussed
> can play havoc with figure makers. I took some
> liberties-- if not, the Wood would have to be even
> faster or the Gazelle even slower.



Good to hear you took some liberties. 4 of the 7 runners collapsed, and the pace wasn\'t even fast.

joemama: There was a incredibly brutal wind that day.  One of the reasons I opted to not to bet Aquaduct that day.  Maybe those horses will be a step up derby day without the windy disadvantage.

Michael D.: joemama Wrote:
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> There was a incredibly brutal wind that day.  One
> of the reasons I opted to not to bet Aquaduct that
> day.  Maybe those horses will be a step up derby
> day without the windy disadvantage.


I read somewhere that the kickback was so bad the jocks feared for their lives.

joemama: Well that\'s a interesting take , that the jocks would fear the wind in addition to the fact that they were riding 1000 lb animals at 35 mph or so. But you know what, trying to put my shoes in a jockeys shoes, tons of kickback being accelerated by very high winds could present a very compromising position.  The Wood Might be the race to key on. If it is if any of those horses run there will be good money for all.  The Wood is overdue to produce something in the Kentucky Derby.

TreadHead: Just wanted to point out, last year\'s wood had huge winds in it too, and although Verrazano was obviously not himself on Derby Day, given he came back and ran a -4 later that summer and the graded placings/wins NI and Vyjack had later, numbers given that day seem to have held up pretty well.

TGJB: Jake gave CC a 13 1/2 for the Gazelle, Frosted a 5 1/2.

boston: Wood not far from TG.  Gazelle is just crazy.