Maker Derby runners

[HP]

Just to be clear, I did not make that list.  And I don\'t know about other horses and who the vets were.

[Bet Twice]

The logic makes no sense....you are very vocal in saying Pletcher\'s record in the derby/BC is poor because he \"uses\" normally but can\'t do so in those cases because of the increased testing.  And now draw the conclusion that he only wins these same races when he uses the service of the vet whom you feel is notorious for the administration of illicit substances.  You can\'t really have it both ways.  It\'s interesting how the conspiracy theory evolves to serve your purpose.

[BitPlayer]

TGJB -

There is more than one way to interpret the data in the earlier post.  Since Pletcher\'s stats at Tampa and FG were also good (albeit with smaller samples), one might argue that the effect is more calendar-related than GP-specific.

The real question relevant to the earlier thread is whether Pletcher has \"squeezed the lemon dry\" at GP (or in the winter months), so that his horses cannot run back to those figures in subsequent starts.  One way of examining that issue is to look at the 2014 Derby sheets in the archive and compare Pletcher with the other Derby trainers in terms of the performance of their 3yo\'s in April-June.  The following are those stats for trainers with a sample of over 100 (in order of finish position):

Sherman: 20% tops, 29% pairs
Stewart: 20%, 27%
Pletcher: 20%, 31%
Jerkens: 22%, 34%
Violette: 19%, 25%
Romans: 21%, 29%
Baffert: 23%, 30%
Maker: 22%, 25%
Sadler: 19%, 34%
Contessa: 17%, 27%
Asmussen: 17%, 25%
Garoffalo: 17%, 31%