Seriously...

mjellish: Never seen a year like this before.  Best crop ever, to this point at least.

miff: Freaky against the clock without being fully asked.

Tavasco: Doesn\'t look like 1+1/4 will present a problem. WOW!

WOW again!

jp702006: That was even more impressive than what I was expecting. This should make for some interesting handicapping discussions over the next few weeks. I\'ll make the first prediction that he is 8/5 at post time for the derby.

TGJB: No chance he\'s that short.

jp702006: You are probably right. What was Big Brown in 2008?

P-Dub: TGJB Wrote:
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> No chance he\'s that short.


Agreed, Dortmund will take his share of money. But we just saw the Derby favorite that\'s for sure.

miff: California loves AP, touted by all the West Coast sharpies to be next coming,better than Dortmund,trained by Baffy.He now gets all the bandwagon jumpers on-ers. If he trains well to the race, me thinks under 2-1.

TGJB: They have a lot of horses to bet this year. Materiality, Carpe Diem, Firing line and Frosted all have to take money. Very surprised if anyone\'s less than 3-1.

More interesting question is whether they get 20.

Wrongly: Come on.  He\'s 5/1 with Dortmund 6/1, Carpe Diem 10/1, others 20/1 or more.

miff: Agree with that, outsider needs a miracle to win this derby.Dortmund goes in undefeated as was Big Brown(first time ever sire and offspring went in that way)..and won\'t be favored.

miff: There is no chance AP will be 5-1 unless a knock shows up between now and then.Comes off the last prep everyone saw, huge fig, eased up.

Fairmount1: 1   American Ph     2.70
2   Dortmund        4.50
3   Carpe Diem   8.00
4   Materiality   11.80
5   Frosted     13.70
6   Mubtaahij   15.10
7   Upstart           16.20
8   Firing Line   20.70
9   International S   21.70
10   El Kaiber   25.30
11   One Lucky Dane   28.40
12   Itsaknockout   30.20
13   War Story   30.20
14   Danzig Moon   36.00
15   Stanford   40.60
16   Far Right   42.40
17   Bolo      44.40
18   Ocho Ocho Ocho   51.60
19   Tencendur   54.50
20   Mr. Z           65.60

Danzig Moon still a question mark.  Ami\'s Flatter leaning No b/c of strong crop.  Not sure about Upstart from miff\'s report.  Any other info, please post.  This is a starting point (I think) but open to all suggestions about ordinal ranking

ajkreider: Not sure how big the fig will be.  Race Day is a nice horse, but not all that - and he went about 6 tenths quicker.

Plenty fast, though.