Gelding Data in DRF

[Silver Charm]

So now they are printing the date a colt was gelded! I know some handicappers have requested this particularly if it was something recent and possible relevant. But 3-4 years ago.....? Nothing personal but what if each of us had to walk around with a tag on that said the date we realized we needed Viagra?

More important is the races tomorrow at GP, and FG in particular are not great but not to bad. For $100K purses and up the fields are reasonably filled and even. The usual suspects are around at FG: Catalano, Amoss, Maker, Jones and Assmussen.

Gulfstream features some downsized Florida Millions purses but provides some quality action on Eclipse Awards Day. There are two First Time geldings in the last: One trained by Karian the other by Motion both of whom are getting the full everything: Juice, Blinkers. If you are not confused enough by now both Big Ben and Grey Wizard got a good education in their first trips. Any improvement at all and they both could be interesting....good luck!!

[Rich Curtis]

\"So now they are printing the date a colt was gelded!\"

No, it\'s the date when the horse was reported as a gelding. The date of the surgery is a different matter altogether. It could be well before the reporting date, and there could be intervening races.

[miff]

Rich,

Correct. Dates reported are often within a few days of the race entered,not possible. Be wary of any date less than 14 days of the race.In NY several horses were reported to be FTG and racing like 4 days later, not happening.


Mike

[Rich Curtis]

Miff,

Yep. Absolutely right. And the real humor is going to come when people who don\'t understand what\'s going on with the \"reported\" hedge suddenly find themselves required to believe that the horse was gelded either the morning OF the race or in the winner\'s circle right after it won the race by 10 lengths.

This is going to happen, and it is going to be a riot.

[miff]

FTG is a decent angle,you would think players could get that info timely and accurately.

[Rich Curtis]

It gets funnier if you ask yourself how they are getting those first-gelding trainer stats they print. After all, they don\'t know the date when the horse was gelded. They know only the wildly misleading \"reported\" date.

Somebody needs to ask the Howard Baker question from Watergate: What did you guys know and when did you know it?

[FrankD.]

Mike,

The old rule of thumb was they couldn\'t race for 21 days after being cut. My last conversation with Dr Billy M. on the subject a few years ago was not too much has evolved in the procedure.

Frank D.

[magicnight]

FrankD. Wrote:
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... not too much has evolved in the procedure.

Speaking as a married man, Frank, I\'m not sure the procedure had much space to evolve into.

[ajkreider]

Seems like some of it can be figured out by the work tab.  Ward had one in the Dania Beach, but had two works in the two weeks prior, after a month off.

Ran third (blinkers off too), but outran his stablemate who was the favorite.

[Rich Curtis]

\"Seems like some of it can be figured out by the work tab.\"

Yes. The owner knows. The trainer knows. The vet knows. And the horseplayer, if he is aware of the ambiguity in the word \"reported,\" is invited to try to figure it out himself, though he will be thwarted on occasion by trainers who habitually give their horses three weeks off from recorded workouts after a race (as some do), and he will be thwarted by other things, and there is always the risk that he will find himself pondering the absurdity of the situation and drop dead on the spot. Lord knows when he will be \"reported dead,\" but that won\'t be high up on the list of his problems.

[RICH]

11 for the last 100 FTG 11% .83 ROI

[miff]

Rich,

What\'s the source? Is this based on actual FTG or the \"reported date\" of FTG.Does not seem correct as just recently a FTG paid $74+

Thanks
Mike

[RICH]

Mike it includes the 76 horse from gp, i just went back 30 days 275 plays 13% .90 roi, I will go back further, however, if one drills down there are probably positive subsets within

Rich