MIFF?

[dannyboy135]

I think she did present her side, though it was diametrically opposed to
Yours.  
    You say the numbers, jump ups are unexplainable it has to be drugs
She says I don\'t see drugs on the backside maybe there are other reasons for the jump ups. I still think we should hear her side.  Ok I\'m done no more politicking for sight

[dannyboy135]

But great to see miff back

[miff]

Fast....problem, only one route and at the tough distance of 1 1/4 miles.


Track was kinda tight for all sprints and doubt it changed speed for the one route, run in 2.01.88, hardly smoking considering track speed.

Aside from the first two,the field imploded and the first two separated some 7+ lengths. Unless Beyer suddenly considered the 127 lbs carried by GOD in the 114(very doubtful), the first two horses figs are tough to reconcile on that day.Weight will help the TG/RAGS fig but doubtful the figs come up as fast, ground was not a big issue with either of the first two.

[richiebee]

Would be wrong not to thank the always positive and relevant High Roller for his
role in bringing Senor Miff back into the fold...

[Bet Twice]

Give the devil his due.....

[catcapper]

Please don't let a synthetic surface come to NY.  I think the biggest benefit of synthetic tracks is that it puts alot of money into a very few pockets, and I am sure favors are given in return. Michael Dickinson who came up with the first such surface was genius beyond any out there now peddling the stuff.

Results from studies can be manipulated to get the results you want. You start by manipulating the parameters of the study. Ok so there may be less fron end injuries, but what else is more common instead? I can see training on it as a fallback in poor weather, but to race on, well, the bad things I have heard don't seem to get written about or formally addressed in a study. The bad smell (the fumes you and the horses breath), the skin issues it causes for some horses, the increase in hind end injuries, and the greater damage jocks sustain when landing on it as opposed to landing on dirt, just to start for example.

I have never spent time around a synthetic track and I never will. I will never ever bet one either. But lucky me, I am primarily a turf bettor anyway. It's all back door politics. I knew someone would be blowing sunshine up Cuomo's you-know-what about it the second the state muscled control of NYRA. And they will sweeten his pot to do it.

Please, don't let Belmont go synthetic. It won't be the Triple Crown if it does. It will be a new animal, so to speak.

Racing on a blend of chopped up fibers and petroleum products is just not real.

Chris Kay seems like a down to earth guy for such a high power exec. What I do know is that he oversaw the ToysRUs buyout to an international firm and got paid 1.4million USD for it. The CEO got 65Million USD. Why? Hah! He also is a big time realestate/development lawyer.  Yes, he was just head of the Land Trust, a good thing. But what exatly is his purpose here regarding the future of NYRA and specifically Aqueduct? Sounds like Cuomo has an agenda and Kay is his point man to get it done. Maybe a nice guy, but he is in league with the devil now. They have a sheep costume all ready for him, I fear.

Here is my prediction - Aqueduct gets closed, the racino becomes a full blown casino complex, and they put a synthetic surface on the training track at Belmont and viola! All problems solved...sure. Cuomo doesn't care about horseracing and he never has. When did he ever place a bet or go to a track? Or Chris Kay for that matter?

Call me cynical if you like. I embrace the skeptic label.

Some of your information is positive and those changes I welcome. Thank you for this post. A bit of light is always welcome. Please continue to participate.

[miff]

\"2. A synthetic surface is getting a serious look, and while considered dead while Charlie Hayward was there, not the case now\"


It was never suggested that all the surfaces would become synth.Enormous pressure from Cuomo\'s politically appointed stooges re the public relations problem due to the unacceptable number of breakdowns during winter racing at Aqueduct.There are more committees dealing with horse safety,very important, than with all other important issues.

Re synth, it was probably never even considered how the gamblers would respond to the rug....bet your money and shut up!

[catcapper]

Do you think the synthetic surface will change the breakdown rate? I thought they had come to the conclusion that $14k claimers were running for 50-60k had more to do with it. Like I said, data can be manipulated to say whatever the powers that be want.

As far as shutting up goes, that would be contrary to the spirit and purpose of a public forum. Where else does anybody hear the nobodies.

Don\'t be so cynical.

[miff]

There is strong data which shows breakdowns are less frequent on synths vs dirt.The over racing, purses are an aside, as are other injuries which crop up on synths vs dirt.


\"Bet your money and shut up\" is what \'they\' say, not me.

Where is there a public forum to explain to the Stewards of NY Racing the error of their ways? Only recently have they somewhat acknowledged the existence of players.

[catcapper]

Miff, I sincerely apologize.

Indeed, I started to say something about the lack of a public forum within the realm of NYRA. You are exactly right, it is sorely lacking. I hope that will change. I hope they take us seriously and don\'t just go through the motions and pay us lip service. For that to happen we, the bettors, need strong advocates within NYRA. Cuomo doesn\'t care. And it is not Kay\'s job to care.

And, I do understand there is strong data to support synthetic over dirt regarding breakdown frequency. I am saying there is a trade off somewhere. And there could well be a significant enough percentage of those breakdowns that have other mitigating factors not accounted for in such studies. The results of any scientific experiment or study is always presaged in the given parameters,  I personally think synthetic surfaces have their highest and best use as an all-weather training track.

Your post is great food for thought. Please, do keep posting. Inclusion makes for strength not weakness. Thanks again.

[Fairmount1]

I think her position was, in part, some people\'s names are being thrown around as cheaters that are not.  One of these names (now that Triple Crown season is over we can discuss this type stuff as was posted once on Belmont Day) tends to be a polarizing figure in the sport.  She also thought all the Cali/Baffert deaths are part of the game as it exists which was bizaare beyond belief when the facts in the articles she referred us to stated things she wouldn\'t admit.

And Ithink that was the ultimate issue:  she refused to acknowledge ANY factual issues against her views.  It was blatant, her lack of respect for the opposing factual information--not even the speed figures withstanding.  As any good attorney can probably tell you, certain facts can be \"agreed upon and stipulated to\" and others aren\'t and opposing views of the law are certainly a part of most controversies.  She refused to acknowledge ANY facts, issues, etc other than \"good husbandry accounts for horses performing better....\"  

Not meant to get miff miffed....but glad to hear his NYRA thoughts, speed figure beefs, and see his return to the board.

[P-Dub]

catcapper Wrote:
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> I have never spent time around a synthetic track
> and I never will. I will never ever bet one
> either. But lucky me, I am primarily a turf bettor
> anyway.

There are great betting opportunities on all surfaces, synthetics included.  I love me some turf racing as much as anybody, but Hollywood/Arlington/Woodbine, etc... can yield some tremendous prices that are very gettable.

[P-Dub]

TGJB Wrote:
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> I kept waiting for Nantucket.

Nantucket is doing great. He got his vaccinations today, and is doing well for a 14yo.

[high roller]

Beautiful Piece of Work!

[msola1]

Miff,

Just to keep your Italian right, when you say \"from Pisano Cuomo,\" you are saying \"Cuomo, from the city of Pisa.\"

I\'m guessing you meant to say \"from paesano Cuomo,\" i.e., \"countryman\" Cuomo, or \"fellow Italian-American\" Cuomo.

Non volevo offenderti.

Mike