Flashback knee injury

[TreadHead]

Will miss 60 days training with a chip in the knee.

So, who exactly did GoldenCents beat in the SA Derby?  Flashback racing with a sore knee?

[miff]

Thread,

Can be said about most point preps. At least in Goldenscents case, he vied for the lead all the way,in fast splits,and stayed well late.From a pure speed figure perspective, it\'s the fastest point prep.Performance kinda came out of nowhere, hard to gauge but undoubtably fast.

Mike

[Dana666]

Yeah, I was shocked when Flashback didn\'t go right by. This makes sense. Thanks for posting.

[big18741]

Only thing I can knock about the SA winner is too big a jump up in April and he\'s a puller.Kriegger had his hands full keeping that horse sitting off Super99.

Other than that can\'t see how you can knock Goldencents race.

[miff]

Big,

SA surface was fast and speed favoring also, still a big performance.Goldenscents also pulls during his morning gallops, thats just him.

If he gets to the Derby he will go in looking bounce but will sport fastest fig in a point prep so far.


Mike

[TGJB]

I won\'t be done with that day for a couple of days, but after a fast look I can say with confidence:

Not hardly.

[jimbo66]

Tread,

Assume that since you post here, u \"get\" speed figures and the dynamics that go with them.

As pointed out by Miff and others, Goldencents Santa Anita Derby was very fast, period.  Stalked a fast pace, opened up on the turn, handled Flashback easily and there was a huge gap back to 3rd.  The race was also fast on the clock.  Got a 105 beyer.  We will see what TGJB did.

He did the opposite of what your horses Verrazano and Normandy Invasion did, which is run slow, the former doing it with a trip from heaven.  The latter gets some credit for being off the slow pace and trying to close into it.

That doesn\'t mean Goldencents will want 1 1/4 or be a good bet in the Derby.  That is a different story.

But criticizing what was likely the best or 2nd best Major Derby prep is just silly.

[jimbo66]

That is ominous and not in a good way.

I can see a Stevie Wonderboy post soon.............

[ajkreider]

Fastest of the 100-pointers, maybe.  Not sure if it was quicker than the Holy Bull.

[miff]

\"I won\'t be done with that day for a couple of days, but after a fast look I can say with confidence:

\"Not hardly\"


..Ahem,thats because you had the top two in the SA derby too slow to start with, you know, its the old TG is slower than Beyer out there in Cali(your words also)

Yep another slow TG fig in California, wadda know.

[TGJB]

Yep, that\'s it. Over and over. Euros too, ask anybody.

[miff]

JB,

Euros quite a different story.Dont have the time or the inkling but there is an old string here about a time when MANY Cali shippers were coming East and outrunning their TG West Coast figs, new topsoften,pre synth.It was not selective at all.

From distant memory,may be wrong, Squirtle Squirt comes to mind and others around that time.

Anyone recall?

Mike

[miff]

AJ,

Yes, the Holy Bull was very fast, did not include the early 50 pointers or Verranzanos allowance win.

Mike

[TGJB]

It\'s funny, after the way the Baffert horses ran at the BC I was thinking of making the Cali figures slower.

Here\'s a thought. Rather than cherry picking results that fit your theory (Squirtle Squirt? Really?), go through the archives on this site. In the TC and BC races, take the Cali horses vs the other horses, and break them down into new tops, pairs etc. If you\'re right the Cali horses should get an awful lot of new tops.

And that doesn\'t even factor in the synth/dirt angle.

[miff]

Yeah SS and several others maybe the same day, honestly dont recall exactly.You keep saying cherry pick, not the case, would never do that.BC,really,when many are raced out, over the top.You expect tops there, save maybe the lightly raced young ones, I wouldn\'t expect it though possible.

Hey, whatever floats your boat.Gave a good joke for you, the Wood was faster than the SA Derby,funny?

Mike