TwinSpires HACKED!!!!

[HP]

I gave you a name in my post.  Dutrow.  You\'re reading these right?  Or maybe you just go \"auto pilot\" and advocate letting everything slide, blaming Joe Drape, and talking about how none of these findings are significant.  How many more violations would you need to see on Dutrow?  Maybe you\'re waiting for him to get nailed in all 50 states?  

RACING DOES NOTHING.  EVER.  

HP

[Edgorman]

I heard they are going to come down hard on Mrs. Shanahan.  She tested positive for Cosmopolitans.  So far, only banned from the West Side of Manhattan.

[miff]

HP,

Nailed is Class 1/2, imo, 3\'s and 4\'s?.There are hundreds of horses, more, that received shots of prednisone and 40+ other legal drugs this morning.Thats what it takes to keep some of the horses with issues going.

Chicago has more to do with the very improved super testing which is picking up irrelevant positives.Read the article in DRF,no purses redistributed,no days!

To me,Joe Drape proved in his writings that,at the very least he\'s misinformed(being kind), was subsequently called out by the highly respected DR.Bramlege and crawled under a rock since.Who cares about New Mexico quarter horse racing anyway??

Never said Joe Drape had anything to do with racings drug problems only that his biased articles spread a false perception of racings illegal drug problem vs it\'s reality.Thats fashionable now, look at what they have you believing, guys should be banned for non performance enhancing violations.


Mike

[Boscar Obarra]

seeing nothing on the chdn stock feed about this and the price hasnt reacted at all as far as I can tell.

 like it didnt happen.

 maybe \'cause its just a bunch of degenerate horseplayers.

[miff]

HP,

Brand new,may want to send to Joe Drape, maybe future articles will be closer to the mark.

Mike


Association of Racing Commissioners International, Inc.
Uniform Classification Guidelines for Foreign Substances
Revised September 2012


Classification Definitions

Class 1: Stimulant and depressant drugs that have the highest potential to affect performance and that have no generally accepted medical use in the racing horse. Many of these agents are Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) schedule II substances. These include the following drugs and their metabolites: Opiates, opium derivatives, synthetic opioids and psychoactive drugs, amphetamines and amphetamine-like drugs as well as related drugs, including but not limited to apomorphine, nikethamide, mazindol, pemoline, and pentylenetetrazol. Though not used as therapeutic agents, all DEA Schedule 1 agents are included in Class 1 because they are potent stimulant or depressant substances with psychotropic and often habituative actions.


Class 2: Drugs that have a high potential to affect performance, but less of a potential than drugs in Class 1. These drugs are 1) not generally accepted as therapeutic agents in racing horses, or 2) they are therapeutic agents that have a high potential for abuse. Drugs in this class include: psychotropic drugs, certain nervous system and cardiovascular system stimulants, depressants, and neuromuscular blocking agents. Injectable local anesthetics are included in this class because of their high potential for abuse as nerve blocking agents.


Class 3: Drugs that may or may not have generally accepted medical use in the racing horse, but the pharmacology of which suggests less potential to affect performance than drugs in Class 2. Drugs in this class include bronchodilators, anabolic steroids and other drugs with primary effects on the autonomic nervous system, procaine, antihistamines with sedative properties and the high-ceiling diuretics.


Class 4: This class includes therapeutic medications that would be expected to have less potential to affect performance than those in Class 3. Drugs in this class includes less potent diuretics; corticosteroids; antihistamines and skeletal muscle relaxants without prominent central nervous system (CNS) effects; expectorants and mucolytics; hemostatics; cardiac glycosides and anti-arrhythmics; topical anesthetics; antidiarrheals and mild analgesics. This class also includes the non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), at concentrations greater than established limits.


Class 5: This class includes those therapeutic medications for which concentration limits have been established by the racing jurisdictions as well as certain miscellaneous agents and other medications as determined by the regulatory bodies. Included specifically are agents that have very localized actions only, such as anti-ulcer drugs, and certain anti-allergic drugs. The anticoagulant drugs are also included.

[HP]

Miff - You said \"who should get thrown out\" and I said DUTROW.  I asked if you were waiting for him to have violations in all 50 states.  Two lengthy posts from you and NOT A WORD about what I said.  You don\'t even PRETEND to listen.  Just repeat yourself over and over again.  Did I ask you for a class by class definition of violations?    

You and racing are a good fit.  People don\'t care about these distinctions on Class 1 and whatever.  Guy has 70 VIOLATIONS.  How do you get past that?  

You love your own noise.    

HP

[miff]

HP,

You just don\'t have a clue about the subject of drugs,class of violations and who should or should not be banned and WHY!

Dutrow, not even close, your skirt is showing.

Mike

[HP]

Okey doke.  You\'re the expert.  Having Dutrow around will do you a world of good.  Keep up the \"Joe Dope\" stuff.  That never gets old.  

HP

[Boscar Obarra]

How did this turn into a thread about tricky? Did he have a twinspires account, or maybe he\'s suspected of hacking them.

[HP]

Miff hijacked the thread to make his perennial \"joe dope\" point.  I think talking about Dutrow on this thread is fine because he hurts every element of the game, but Miff is the one who threw this into left field because he...has to do this...for some reason.  

HP

DRF should cover the hacking but far more sexy for DRF to be writing about 26 nano positives of a class 4 legal med,prednisone(used by many,many trainers as preventive for lung mucous.Many vets recommend it,Sight??
 
New super test picked up the overage,old test not as sensitive.A discussion to eliminate class 4\'s as a positive at all being looked at in several jurisdictions in light of the terrible perception of racing vs the benefit of the drug.This another example of the overuse of therapeutics,so change the rules already and stop permitting the legal regimen used by the super trainer.
 
Joe Dope on a plane with his investigative team heading for Chicago to cover this profound \"doping\" finding.The Twin Spires hacking story has no legs and is not sexy enough!

[TGJB]

That\'s enough, guys. Only reason I\'m not going back and deleting a bunch of posts is I\'m lazy and busy (bad combintation).

[metroj]

Don\'t know where to plug my question in so I just picked one after the site host.

I\'m obviously not a regular poster here but do read the board occasionally and do have a Twinspires account that was hacked.

My question is how many of you that had accounts hacked are longstanding members of TS?    I\'ve been with them with them all the way back to the AmericaTab days, likely a dozen years or more.    Could it be that the accounts effected are those that were carried over from other wagering sites, like AmericaTab, and more recent ones were not?

Thanks and appreciate all the info found here.

[P-Dub]

Metro,

Been with about 3 years or so, and my account was affected.

[Boscar Obarra]

find me someone who\'s account WASN\'T affected.

[moosepalm]

I won\'t consider this a serious issue until I see Ken Sherman link an article about it on the Ragozin board.