Blind Luck

Started by Silver Charm, July 13, 2011, 05:29:48 PM

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Silver Charm

May have said this before here but you gotta love this Iron Mare!

Probably gonna get beat at Delaware by a rival who is at home, a little faster, a pace advantage and only giving 2lbs! But none of that matters to the connections who will ship and show!

This Mare runs anywhere, almost always runs her race, doesn\'t worry about field size or pace and just gives her all! Made her name back at 2, won the Ky Oaks, almost got there in the BC Ladies Classic and still going strong at 4! A throwback type if there ever was one.

Wears a name that suits her pedigree and heart! $11K Sales purchase who is out of a Sire who ran Blind in One Eye! Gotta love this One! Doesn\'t get enough Fan love in my Book...

Lost Cause

Agree with you Silver.  I don\'t play her a lot due to price but she is one of my faves.  Havre de grace is a beast though.

Silver Charm

LC, we are on the same page! Part of my point however is that Blind Luck shipping across the country to tackle a Major Rival on her home track in a Major race has gotten less Publicity than an Uncle Mo Saratoga gallop!

And last time I checked they were both respective 3YO Champs....Just Sayin!

Silver Charm

Enough Said! Gomex never used the stick and with 50 yards left knew he didnt!!

Cant wait to read about another Uncle Mo breeze for a week when a potential great Race Mare ships across country and isnt afraid to take the TEST!!

Lost Cause

It\'s races like these that make you appreciate the game.  Played a big double closing with Havre but knew I was in trouble when BL was close and who finishes a race better than Gomez?

Hope these two slug it out all the way to the Breeders Cup.

Silver Charm

I agree with you LC! I guess my beef is this is the type of Hard Knocking, doesnt need to have it her way, Silky Sullivan type who shows up everytime abd could be a REAL BIG FAN FAVORITE is the Sport promoted as such!!

Instead the game spends way to much time hyping mythical 3YO types who simply dont race enough before rushing to a Stallion Barn. Or just show up and work like Uncle Mo who has done ZILCH this year.

I really didnt think she would win here. But I knew she would run her heart out. I tickled to say I have had the pleasure of watching her run in her career.....

miff

\"Larry Jones, the trainer of Havre de Grace, had said before the race that the felt the two-pound spread was worth about 1 1/4 lengths going 1 1/4 miles. Afterwards, Jones was clearly upset the weights were not equal.

\"Tell me two pounds does not make a difference,\" Jones said. \"She won six Grade 1\'s versus our one and we are the highweight. That makes a lot of sense. I probably should not have run.\"


...Larry Jones a Kool Aid drinker, who would have guessed.2 pounds was the difference, BRILLIANT!!


Mike
miff

TGJB

...or, maybe he\'s right...

Try this, Mike. Take 2 pounds as a percentage of the weight of a horse. Then take the same percentage of either the distance or time of the race and see what you get.
TGJB

miff

JB,

Or look at the entire 6 races these horses had head to head, including the 6 and 10 lbs weight spots that BL gave HDG in the past. Both of those races very close despite the weight spot.Weight was not relevant at 6 and 10 lbs, why would 2lbs mean anything yesterday.

Math/geometry great for things that can be verified by that science, racing not one of them or the game would have already been conquered by it.Guess you missed a very interesting view by Gary Stevens yesterday about weight, much the same take as Bailey, Cordero, Migliore and other jocks who gave their opinions on weight from time to time.




Mike
miff

TGJB

You definitely should be buying Stevens\' figures then.
TGJB

miff

Right on point,per usual when a sheet theory is disproven.
miff

TGJB

That actually was exactly on point. And responding to nonsense like that is a complete waste of time.

As someone here is fond of saying, assertion is not proof. Or disproof.
TGJB

P-Dub

Mike,

What did Stevens have to say about weight??
P-Dub

miff

Paul,

From memory,it was his opinion that the 2 lbs weight spot did not figure in the outcome,Larry Jones had a different opinion.

He felt that some of the horses he rode could have run just as fast with more weight,to a point.Often, some fillies and light framed horses were not good weight carriers and every ounce of weight was important.

Something along those lines. Maybe spoke for a minute on the subject after the  BL/HDG race. Had heard stuff like that before but what do guys that ride them every day know.


Mike
miff

TGJB

You\'re right, Mike. Riders are famous for being good handicappers, trainers, etc.

I love the idea that physics and geometry apply everywhere except the racetrack.
TGJB