I have to say these Rachael vs. Zenayatta debates on this board drive me nuts

[covelj70]

It\'s annoying that everytime one of them run, we start this nonsense.

This is a TG board, the numbers say it all.

On her best day, Rachael is better than Zenaytta by a good margin.

HOWEVER,

Z is undeniably more consistent.  She really never runs an off race.

Those who want to argue brilliance back RA, those who love consistency back Z.

Period, end of sentence.

On this board, it\'s suppossed to be about the numbers, not who beat whom or how big the various fields are.

a 4 neg is fast if its run against a bunch of claimers or against a group of G1 colts.  It doesn\'t matter.

It\'s just cool we get to enjoy them both

BTW, Given that Quality Road is 10 lenghts better than either of them, none of this really matters for horse of the year unless he gets hurt,

Hope everyone enjoyed the great racing today, it was cool.

[P-Dub]

covelj70 Wrote:
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> It\'s annoying that everytime one of them run, we
> start this nonsense.

Its annoying when some come on here and pontificate to others about what they should talk about.  Its annoying that there are 2 different standards when evaluating field strength. Its annoying that some can\'t grasp that simple concept, especially when that was the only point being made.

>
> This is a TG board, the numbers say it all.

So a maiden that runs a -5 is better than Zenyatta. There have been maidens that have run negative numbers.


> On her best day, Rachael is better than Zenaytta
> by a good margin.

There is more to racing than a number.

>
> HOWEVER,
>
> Z is undeniably more consistent.  She really never
> runs an off race.
>
> Those who want to argue brilliance back RA, those
> who love consistency back Z.
>
> Period, end of sentence.

Period, end of sentence. Because you say so?? Ok.  Zenyatta looks plenty brilliant to me and many others.

> On this board, it\'s suppossed to be about the
> numbers, not who beat whom or how big the various
> fields are.
>
> a 4 neg is fast if its run against a bunch of
> claimers or against a group of G1 colts.  It
> doesn\'t matter.

So a maiden that runs a -5 is better than Zenyatta.

Brilliant.

This is just plain ridiculous. I know we have numbers to evaluate horses, but they are not the end all when evaluating them. How much would you be willing to wager on the big figure maiden against a horse like Zenyatta. You know, the horse with inferior numbers.

>
> It\'s just cool we get to enjoy them both

Yes it is.

>
> BTW, Given that Quality Road is 10 lenghts better
> than either of them, none of this really matters
> for horse of the year unless he gets hurt.

Wrong again. He may win the Eclipse award in the category of fastest Thorograph figure.  But isn\'t HOY given to the horse that accomplishes the most?? QR hasn\'t won at the Classic distance.  If he shows up at the BC, doesn\'t flip out again, and runs the \"number\" going 1 1/4...then yeah it won\'t matter. But thats a big if right now.

>
> Hope everyone enjoyed the great racing today, it
> was cool.

[covelj70]

If a maiden ran a 5 neg, he/she would be better than Z ON THAT DAY.

That\'s the whole point.

Rachael is better than Z ON HER BEST DAY but Z is more consistent so...


....those of you that insist on making the Rachael/Z debate some kind of holy war might be better served to compromise on that point.

[Rich Curtis]

Covelj70 wrote:

\"On this board, it\'s suppossed to be about the numbers, not who beat whom or how big the various fields are.\"

Respectfully request permission for an exception to your rule so I can make the case that Affirmed was as good as Alydar in the 1978 Triple Crown races.

[covelj70]

lol, this is good.  love it.