I report, you decide

[HP]

You have no business telling ANYONE to \"move on.\"  You think this sounds better directed at \"everyone in the biz?\" It doesn\'t.  

Again, you expressed your opinion and suggested your remedy.  That\'s enough.  \"Move on\" is rude.  If you were standing face to face talking to someone would you tell them to \"move on?\"  

It\'s AN OPINION that you have.  You know what they say about opinions, right?  Get over yourself.

[Silver Charm]

HP I am always free to talk to anyone either via person-to-person email here or on the phone. I have communicated to people who post thru both.

None of this was directed at you or anyone else specifically. I am not a gutless coward who hides behind his emails, blogs or bulletin board alias.

If you wanna talk about lets talk about it.

[HP]

I appreciate that but I\'ve already communicated...  I don\'t think you are a gutless coward, or even a bad guy, I just think \"move on\" is not appropriate.  That\'s really all I have to say.  

It\'s a bulletin board.  Let\'s keep it light.

[Barry Irwin]

Correct response.

I know the story here.

Todd was nothing if not extra cautious.

Every racehorse has a different consitution and because of it, withdrawl time vary.

Evidence will show that Todd and the vet(s) were more careful than normal, yet traces of procaine showed up anyway.

[richiebee]

HP and Silver:

You guys have to do better than that. I mean, you guys aren\'t going to make
anybody forget Disraeli and Gladstone. Or even FKach/Class and TGJB.

I\'m not paying enough attention. Weren\'t all BC entrants tested pre race?

Another question: People who drug test humans are saying testing of the hair
follicles is foolproof (What was PVal\'s excuse for shaving his entire body?)
Why doesn\'t hair follicle testing work on the equine?

[Ohlo]

From the CTBA
The UC Davis lab is overseen by Dr. Rick Arthur, the equine medical director of the CHRB and a CTBA member. He believes one of racing's biggest problems is that the general public makes no differentiation between drugs legally used for therapeutic purposes and illegal performance-enhancing drugs.
\"That's the perception even though it doesn't make sense to many veterinarians,\" Arthur said.


Reality is that Pletcher doesn\'t even allow clenbuterol in his barn to avoid situations like this, and that\'s a drug that\'s abused every day right in front of our faces that takes money out of horse players\' wallets. Instead of focusing our outrage on real issues and trying to motivate change, we\'re talking about an overage for an antibiotic, one of two positives in a 12-year career. Makes a lot of sense.

[HP]

Makes you wonder how some guys get through 30 years without ANY positives.  As a layman, it\'s also interesting that there seems to be a correlation between positives and trainers who score at a 20%+ clip (Lake, Assmussen, Dutrow, etc.).  If you say \'the usual suspects\' everybody at the track knows who you\'re talking about.  Whether it\'s deserved or not, Pletcher is in this group, and TG analysis for Breeders\' Cups and other major events have gone into this at length.  

Is there a comprehensive list available anywhere of all trainers who have had drug positives in a year?  I\'d be curious to see it.  

Also, regarding this post - does the \"general public\" make the rules?  Who promulgated the rule/threshold on procaine and what is the background on this rule?  Factual answers please - not really interested in editorial opinions...

[sighthound]

>> As a layman, it\'s also interesting that there seems to be a correlation between positives and trainers who score at a 20%+ clip

Not really.  Those are just the newspaper, internet ones that fans are aware of.  

>> Is there a comprehensive list available anywhere of all trainers who have >had drug positives in a year? I\'d be curious to see it.

www.chrb.ca.gov

http://rulings.racing.state.ny.us/frm_Rulings.aspx

Etc.  Use \"google\".

>> Also, regarding this post - does the \"general public\" make the rules?  Who >promulgated the rule/threshold on procaine and what is the background on this rule?  Factual answers please - not really interested in editorial opinions...

Please - please - go to  www.rmtcnet.com   and educate yourself.

[sighthound]

>> Legend has it that TAP became mortal after a very public 2 person breakfast >>with a certain NYRA racing exec shortly after the Eclipse award he received during a year he sat out for a medication positive he fought tooth and nail to avoid before agreeing to the suspension.

Of course it is well-known Pletcher fought that suspension \"tooth and nail\" because the low level he was at risk of suspension for, had been changed by that very jurisdiction to be a legally allowable level.

In other words, on the day Pletcher got the suspension, any other trainer in that jurisdiction, whose horse on that same day tested for the same level,  wouldn\'t have even gotten a \"positive\" check.

[HP]

Now THIS is good stuff!  Thank you Sighthound.  I will go through the rmtcnet site more when I have the chance.  Terrific!  HP