I report, you decide

[HP]

Miff is on every thread on this first page of posts except the thing about the photo at Hollywood.  Can someone forward him that photo so he can weigh in?

[smalltimer]

If Miff can weigh in on the photo question, he could then issue the final say-so, he could then contact the stewards and convince them they\'re idiots, hence, overturning their decision.

[P-Dub]

HP Wrote:

\"Miff is on every thread on this first page of posts except the thing about the photo at Hollywood. Can someone forward him that photo so he can weigh in?\"


This will have to do.  Miff, what do you think??

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[miff]

Thanks Paul,

The stewards fixed the photo, it was a conspiracy like most things in racing, drugs, blah blah. The conspiracy idiots are correct again!!

Mike

[HP]

The only person talking about any \"conspiracy\" is you Miff.  You have nothing to add but you just have to stick in your two cents.  

On...every...single...thread!

[miff]

HP,

You posted that TAP has a \"history\" regarding drugs that makes you one of the many Kool Aid drinkers that have no idea of the facts. You just blindly follow what you read from some uniformed people. I don\'t!

Mike

[BB]

Date: December 03, 2007 04:34PM

Jerry,

You are WAY off base.Conversion of the world to the \"Muslim\' way is the overall goal of extremists. By the way, where did they want us to leave when they knocked down the world trade center??

Mike

[docicu3]

Legend has it that TAP became mortal after a very public 2 person breakfast with a certain NYRA racing exec shortly after the Eclipse award he received during a year he sat out for a medication positive he fought tooth and nail to avoid before agreeing to the suspension.

  Choosing to sit out days when the racing calendar was barren of meaningful competition brought him less publicity than he would have received in May but his reputation was tarnished while his numbers fell to levels associated with a good rather than a \"super\" trainer.A sloppy procaine PCN positive at 18 days of known delivery to WAW (recommended 15 day to safely clear horse) is simply more evidence of the pattern that caused the racing industry to treat him as a known cheater who has never really served a suspension worthy of his actions.

Even OJ eventually found himself on the wrong side of a hearing table.  It is only a matter of time before TAP finds that billable hours may have paid his way out of previous trouble but \"A Change Is Gonna Come\" one day.

[HP]

Miff,

He has a history and he\'s been suspended before.  I suppose the judge who weighed in on this was \"uninformed\" compared to you.  Guilty as charged.  Why don\'t you take a day off?  Let a few threads go by without the benefit of your vast wisdom.  You\'ll have plenty of opportunities to back your Hay Oats and Water Boy Pletcher as this unwinds.

[sighthound]

Pletcher\'s career \"history\", is:

1)  An extremely low mepivicaine positive.  This was a level so low, that the next year the jurisdiction changed it to be an ALLOWABLE level.  

This was the suspension he fought, and the reason why he fought it (because when he was suspended, the level he was suspended for was no longer even considered a violation)

2) This antibiotic overage.


Wow.  I shrudder.

[Silver Charm]

There are people who post here who are very influencial in the industry and swear up and down Pletcher does not cheat. I was a doubter but I trust them and their word and if there is a positive I will err on the side of it being a mistake rather his groups intentions. I really doubt that Plethcer was standing there as the Vet inserted the needle and said, \"Hit her a little harder but just not too much\".

People inside the sport do not talk about it but these horses are receiving lots of medication for therapeutic purposes. Honest mistakes can happen. Only a complete idiot would cheat BC Week when the heat is on.

Pletcher is too smart and professional to try and tightrope that line. This was some sort of mistake. People need to move on.

[HP]

Holy cow.  Pletcher will have his chance to make his case.  The rules are the same for everyone.  Why do we need to rely on assumptions, opinions, or \"trust\" for that matter?  There\'s a process in place, and TAP will have to deal with it, regardless of anyone\'s opinion to the contrary.  

Silver, your assertion that \"this was some sort of mistake\" just has no basis in fact.  Absolutely none.  How do you know?  Indeed, how COULD you know?  I would think you were smart enough to know the difference between your opinion and real facts.  

Should they pre-empt this whole thing because people like you think \"people need to move on?\"  Wouldn\'t that be ridiculous?  I could care less what \"influential people\" think.  Let\'s wait and see what happens.  If it means anything, I hope they find out it was a mistake and he\'s exonerated.  

HP

[Silver Charm]

HP this almost sounds like you are comparing Pletcher to an OJ \"stupid mistake\" and \"he didn\'t mean to hurt anybody\".

If they need to give him or the Vet a few days off here in the slow period in Dec then do it. But is doesn\'t mean he is a chronic deceptive cheat.

Move on.

[HP]

You\'ve got some nerve Silver.  You stick in your two cents (as usual - you are another expert on everything that appears here) and then tell me to \"move on.\"  You\'re free to disagree with me, but when you tell me to \"move on\" you\'re out of line.  

I can only imagine what goes on in your brain that you could read my post and come out with \"OJ.\"  I\'m sure the powers that be will take your penetrating insights into account.  

Why don\'t you \"move on\" and stick to writing your brilliant \"please save us Sheik Mo\" posts...

[Silver Charm]

HP my \"move on\" comment was not specifically directed at you but at everyone inthebiz about going a big investigative witch hunt. Maybe because it was Breeders Cup and there is an additional element of visibilty and hence embarassment for the industry but this is a non-issue. Give\'em a few days and tell\'em to be more careful and move on.

What is much bigger issue is the comments by the Del Mar racing official in Jay Privmans column about racing has lost peoples trust because of suspicion of drugs.

EXCUSE ME.

His venue which has been more Toxic than a Wall Street financial institutions Balance Sheet over the last several years. But a lot of places (ie-NYRA) and others have put in lot of policies that have clamped down. There will always be some who will test the limits (see the latest in the NFL)  but maybe the worst and walking around with blinders on has been Del Mar and Calif over the last 10 years or more.