Breaking through tops

HP · January 17, 2003, 03:21:45 PM

JJ,

I can only hope (for your sake) that wherever you\'re eating dinner tonight is NOT a buffet at a racetrack that requires passes because Charlie has a real problem understanding how that kind of thing works.

On the other hand, if it\'s a nice place and there\'s a wait, he could ask you for $10 (since you\'re a Ragozin customer and his pockets are sewn shut) so he could slip it to the headwaiter to get you a table.

As for leaving the tip or picking up the check, make sure the bathroom doesn\'t have a window or you\'re screwed.

Enjoy! HP

Friendly · January 17, 2003, 04:26:16 PM

No Silver Charm, Charismatic looked fast off that one race at Keeneland (which I saw in person), but I played him to bounce based on his previous form. Did Poppa really have him so low in previous races that he didn\'t look like a bounce candidate? He looked like he was going to bounce to the moon on The Sheets. Not so with Monarchos and Thunder Gulch.

Poppa - the rules never apply to you, do they? Next time say 13-1 if that was what you really meant. You think I\'ve lost every disagreement here? Funny, I know I\'ve won every disagreement. I\'d catch you in a lie, then get banned the next day, ah the good old days, what fun. I actually believe you\'d claim you were popular if you were in prison just because everyone took a turn with you in the shower.

HP, please sign up at http://www.psychiatry.com. I\'m sure the person getting the biggest laugh out of your rants is Mr. Nebel, just knowing how much his presence on this earth aggravates you.

Jerry, JR.

TGJB · January 17, 2003, 04:31:40 PM

I forgot to mention that the other thing Jake said was that he hopes you bring up Charlie as much as possible, because it is such good publicity for them. Anyway, you answered my question as to why you keep coming back for more.

Friendly · January 17, 2003, 04:34:01 PM

P.S. Poppa, speaking of savage beatings, have you seen how badly the Ragozin Sheets are outselling your knock-off product at Gulfstream? One weekday I heard it was 27-1. I\'m ALMOST embarrassed for you. You should tell Secret Agent Billy G (since you say you don\'t have any field agents in FL) to buy a few copies to keep them from kicking you off the track like they did at Calder.

Jerry, JR.

HP · January 17, 2003, 04:35:38 PM

Charlie doesn\'t aggravate me in the slightest! I just love that story. I hope I do make him laugh, and I\'m sure he laughed when he read your version of this, where he\'s a millionaire who needs to hit customers up for ten bucks to make sure they got passes to some crappy track buffet. Way to make the guy look good JJ! You can\'t make this stuff up. Have a great dinner and a fabulous weekend. HP

Friendly · January 17, 2003, 04:37:17 PM

Another example of your twisted view of things Poppa - I didn\'t bring Charlie up, your lackey, HP, did. He brings him up all the time. He has a huge hard-on for the guy. Too funny!

Jerry, JR.

Friendly · January 17, 2003, 04:39:48 PM

HP, I really think you\'ve lost it. What crappy track buffet passes are you talking about? I never said anything of the like. What color is the sky in your world?

Please let me know if I can make a donation to any foundation that can help someone like you.

Jerry, JR.

Silver Charm · January 17, 2003, 04:42:17 PM

Charismatic\'s Hall of Fame trainer D.Wayne Lucas went to the windows and wagered on Friday and then went back again for more on Saturday. Lucky for him he\'s not a Ragozin user.

Friendly · January 17, 2003, 04:56:10 PM

Silver Charm, it would be better to say, \"good thing he doesn\'t know how to read the sheets,\" unless you are saying he looked like he had a good pattern on the knock-off product?

There\'s no way that Charismatic\'s line looked playable on Derby day. Please tell me you are supporting another Graphie losing cause here. I\'d hate to think his product is that bad.

Jerry, JR.

Silver Charm · January 17, 2003, 05:00:10 PM

Come to think of it had Wayne gotten up on Derby Day and heard Freidman\'s analysis he might have scratched the horse.

JimP · January 17, 2003, 05:07:24 PM

I think is where this string started when \'Student of the game\' posted
\"Mr. Brown:
Since it is the time of year when we will see 3-year-olds break through their 2-year-old tops, I would be interested to know what you consider the ideal pattern(s) for such horses in terms of a next-out bet.\"

Charismatic seems to be coming up repeatedly as a clear example. So how about someone take a pause from the flaming and offer an analysis of that line going into the Derby. Someone who actually has the sheets (either product) should take a shot at it.

TGJB · January 17, 2003, 05:13:02 PM

Popeye,

Don\'t know what Ragozin sells on a daily basis, but here\'s what I do know:

1- There has been no day that Gulfstream ran where we have sold less than 4 sets of TG.

2- As it happens we were told what Ragozin sold yesterday, and he outsold us by one set.

3- Let me guess-- the guy you heard it from was Charlie, the same guy we caught on tape lying about us, and who got thrown off track for selling the passes he was supposed to give away. Right?

Glad you reminded me-- I forgot another thing Jake said (must be getting old). He didn\'t see how you could think Goldsmith was a field agent since all he does for us is deliver, check returns and give out stuff at seminars in exchange for free sheets, but if it helped you make your case he would remove the \"on-track reps\" section (including phone numbers) from the Ragozin site.

Also, thanks for sharing your prison fantasy.

Friendly · January 17, 2003, 05:24:48 PM

Silver Charm, are you still saying Charismatic had a good pattern on TG? What a hoot!

Poppa Jer, you are the best. Four sets? Sounds like you are really tearing it up at Gulstream. How can you call Charlie a Field Agent and Billy G not? Because Ragozin can afford to pay him? You know what, I realize you are probably just upset at the way Guppie\'s Secret ran yesterday so I\'m going to try to be more understanding.

Jerry, JR.

TGJB · January 17, 2003, 05:53:57 PM

1- I said 4 was the LEAST we had sold.

2- Charlie is a field agent because he actively works for Ragozin in the field, recruiting, lying, etc. Jake is hoping you give me a chance to say that several more times, but Friedman is on record as saying it\'s okay-- he told me he doesn\'t care if Charlie lies about me.

3- I\'ve been looking at the year-end totals, so I\'m actually in a pretty good mood-- looks like Ragozin is now only outselling us about3/2 in number of sets, a little more in total revenue, assuming he still is doing what he was when Paul was there (which he probably is not, since we took away a lot of customers with the simulcast books, and an awful lot of \"escapees\" are buying on-line). For example, we sold 3 times as many sets of GP on-line yesterday as Ragozin sold at the track.

4- But you are absolutely right about one thing-- Florida is Ragozin territory. Think it has anything to do with Charlie telling customers we don\'t use live ground, among other things? Or you telling people they outsell us 27-1?

JimP · January 17, 2003, 07:10:48 PM

Hey, is anyone out there interested in analysing that pattern? Any pattern?