Question on Forever Together in the F&M Turf

[covelj70]

How are you guys reading her pattern?

She\'s gone (approximately) 0, 4, 0 with the 4 being on a yielding turf course.

She had also run a 4 the last time she was on yielding turf but she ran one of the O\'s on a \"good\" course.

So, is the last \"bounce\" a throwout because it wasn\'t a bounce but because of the yielding course or is this a predictable pattern and she\'s headed toward a 4 next Friday.

This is a tough one because its the difference between her being a most likely winner vs. a throwout.

Thoughts?

Thoughts?

[Michael D.]

I\'m calling the Diana day turf course firm.

love the horse over firm turf, and would have her right on top if we were talking about the turf mile. would have a \'0\' next to her name if it were a 9f race.

how\'s the kick going to look though in a 10f race without a lot of pace? that my friend is the issue here.

[mkram]

IMO, tough to play at the expected odds given she is coming off her top at one mile going a distance she has never gone before on short rest.

[miff]

\"I\'m calling the Diana day turf course firm.

love the horse over firm turf, and would have her right on top if we were talking about the turf mile. would have a \'0\' next to her name if it were a 9f race.

how\'s the kick going to look though\"

Cov/Mike

....barring any wet weather, the turf course at Santa will be rock hard(as it is now). Add that to the equation along with the fact that FT\'s 1/2 TG figs are  kinda ground loaded and the field will be bulky.


Mike

[APny]

Even if she bounces 2 points shes just as fast as Wait a While which in my opinion makes her tough to throw out.  I love the line on Dynaforce.  I think she\'s coming back around to the 1.  Love the line on Goldikova...why can\'t she run HUGE.

[richiebee]

APny:

I think Goldikova is going in the BC (turf) Mile on Saturday\'s card.

As Michael said earlier in the thread,it is hard to believe that Forever
Together\'s Diana was run on anything other than a firm turf (46.4/1:10.4/
1:34.3/1:46.2). Given Long Jon Sheppard\'s well deserved reputation as a master
turf trainer, I would love to know the story behind why this filly was not even
tried on grass until her 4YO season. FT also races for the fourth time in 90
days (after a \"gappy\" career), and stretches out to 1-1/4 miles. FT\'s sire,
Belong to Me, seemed to be best at 6-7 furlongs, but his TG stallion index
shows that 72 of his 110 stakes winners have won at 1 mile or over.
Yearly request-- how about adding \"9 Furlongs and Over\" to the TG
Sire Profile Figures? Bottom line to me: possibly tired, possibly
distance limited by her bloodline,and also note she bounced 4 points off of her
Saratoga TG#; she comes back from running that same Saratoga number with a
shorter rest. (I think I did the best I could without disclosing confidential
and proprietary information).

Dynaforce and Mauaralakana come from top turf trainers and should each love the
distance, but the race they (and Communique) come out of was a paceless affair
with a short field of 5, and to be mildly heretic here, the low TG numbers
assigned to this glacially paced race are what the Wall Street folks might call
\"volatile\".

Wait a While is 3/3 at SA and TAP has brought her back nicely from a fracture
which sidelined her for 7 months.

On Arlington Million Day, after watching Euros dominate, one of the ESPN
commentators quipped that the Euro \"second string\" was better than America\'s
\"starters\". I tend to agree and will be leaning towards Folk Opera. This filly
should be 6-8/1 under Dettori, has carried lots of weight in her European races
and is 3/3 at 10 furlongs. Folk Opera\'s sire, Singspiel, was second in the 96
BC Turf. (Fun Fact-- Dettori has won 5 BC races conducted on turf, including
2 for Godolphin, but has had no success on the California courses).

The other prominent Euro is Halfway to Heaven, a 3YO who might be half the
price of Folk Opera off of her 3rd place run to Zarkava and Goldikova back in
May at Longchamp. HTH has only raced once at 10f (winning); all of her other
races have been at 7f or one mile. Both Folk Hero and HTH should be forwardly
placed.

What does it all mean-- leaning to the Euros, each of whom is arguably slower
than the top five American raced contenders; between the 2 Euros I favor Folk
Opera, who has experience at the distance and has one race in NA.

History (not science) Lesson -- 9 runnings of BC FM Turf, 4 won by Euros (twice
by the Briliant! Ouija Board). The last time the race was run at SA, horses
last raced in Europe finished 1-2-3.

[Michael D.]

APny Wrote:
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> Even if she bounces 2 points shes just as fast as
> Wait a While which in my opinion makes her tough
> to throw out.  I love the line on Dynaforce.  I
> think she\'s coming back around to the 1.  Love the
> line on Goldikova...why can\'t she run HUGE.


yep, I think Goldi is in the mile.

I like Dynaforce as well. looks like a very solid one-paced stayer. if she breaks running and gets position, I think her \'1.5\' could win this. 8-1 ml. Mauralakana is interesting too. has that quick burst that could be effective if she sits just off a slow pace. needs a good post though, as I don\'t think she\'s going any faster than \'2\'.

let\'s see the draw, but I\'m leaning towards Dynaforce and Maura.