Black Seventeen-The Angle Was There But........

[Silver Charm]

\"He's making the synthetic/dirt move again here, and will
probably run a top, but he's too slow to contend with these.\"

[Uncle Buck]

Typical East Coast elitism when dismissing a legit speedball from the Golden State. There\'s a LONG, LONG history of West Coast horses going east and puttin\' it on the establishment

[docicu3]

I am sure that such a history exists but if you took all stakes comers with such an angle over the last 5 years would the ROI make it even remotely reasonable as a play.  If you saw this one on the basis of a west to east play that made it a reasonable wager congrats......if you have data that backs the angle I am sure I am not the only one that would love to see it.

[jimbo66]

There was no realistic angle, just standard redboarding.

ROTW called this the fastest sprint ever.

Black SEventeen was, by far, the slowest horse in the race coming in.  You need more than synthetic to dirt to bet him.  perhaps colors or lucky numbers?

[miff]

\"There was no realistic angle, just standard redboarding.

ROTW called this the fastest sprint ever.

Black Seventeen was, by far, the slowest horse in the race coming in. You need more than synthetic to dirt to bet him. perhaps colors\"



Guys,

Guess you have not been following this angle for years.Many West Coast shippers have been outrunning their TG figs for several years.Jerry previously voiced the opinion that Beyer especially has the west coast circuit too fast.Agree with Jim, it\'s definitely more than synth to dirt since this was happening before synths were introduced in Cali.

It is highly unlikely that Black Seventeen was as slow as TG had him going in.Beyer,Rags and other data had BS 3+ points faster than TG going in, including two figs equal to TG neg -2\'s, one on a wet track.I know this horse real well and did not think he had a shot because he is one dimensional speed but not because he was \"too slow\" to win.

Inconceivable that a horse that participates with fast graded stakes sprinters(and runs well) only runs in the 3.5 range(exc one fig of 1).Granted his style is not conducive to big TG figs because he generally does not lose ground, unlike yesterday( yet another story along with yesterdays bad rail and pronounced outside path bias at Belmont.)


Mike

[basket777]

Angle

for the second straight week it was a horse who has been running and training on polydirt. Did we for get it was also the second straight week the coarse was wet. i had to at least use this horse a tiny bit .  just incase wet/poly might be an angle.  not a big one but single curlin in the pick for and used 3 horses in the middle races.  nice profit for $9

[miff]

Basket, nice hit!  


If a horse has established that it is REALLY and consistently 5 to 8 lenghts slower than ALL the other runners, there is no angle, but interpretaions surely differ.


Mike

[Thehoarsehorseplayer]

My handicapping philosophy is follow the money.  Horse racing is a sport, a game and a business, but mostly it\'s a business.  When money is spent the connections are going to find a spot to get it back.  How they fine tune and position horses for a maximum effort, the most fascinating part of the game to me.
Anyway, the horse flies cross-country for the second time in three races.  And this time brings its regular jockey.  Well, that seems like an angle to me.