Foreign Numbers for BC 2002???

Dana · October 22, 2002, 04:58:26 PM

Hey Everyone,
I\'m new to this forum but been buying t-graphs for many many years -- so what\'s the deal with no foreign numbers being included in the advance sheets? How can we get the numbers for the foreign horses? I make my own euopean numbers which are usually very accurate, but I still like to compare with the experts at t-graphs. Any help from anyone would be appreciated. I will also share my foreign numbers with anyone who has a specific question about a horse or a race, just ask me. Thanks,
Dana

Dana · October 22, 2002, 05:00:29 PM

that\'s \"european\" numbers not \"euopean\" yeah, i can spell!

TGJB · October 22, 2002, 05:08:38 PM

As we posted here before, the pre-entries did not include Euro numbers, the data we will post tomorrow will, and we are charging separately for each. I spent a lot of time on our Euro numbers, and I think they are pretty tight.

Dana · October 22, 2002, 06:35:44 PM

Well, then, those of us who bought the advance sheets really weren\'t too bright (I guess I could have read over the fine print and realized this before hand!!!).

In a year where one doesn\'t have to be a psychic to predict the Europeans will simply dominate (all right, I AM PSYCHIC and I\'ll tell you all that for free -- the Euros will dominate and Aidan O\'Brien will be crowned kind after Saturday!) going without the Euorpean numbers isn\'t so hot for your average player. But I\'m acting like I already know the results, so what does it matter anyway.

As I said, I make my own Euro numbers and there as good as anyone\'s (proven to me over many years), but it seems that point should have been made a bit clearer to patrons that the Euro numbers would be delayed and not available in the advance sheets -- I mean that\'s like saying were only giving you sheets for half the horses, but, hey, I\'m not complaining, and you guys were very generous to give out past year\'s sheets, I think that\'s a nice touch and will help much with coming up for par figures for BC races! Overall, I have no complaints with your work at all.

Hell, I\'ll probably bet 10K on BC day, so what\'s ANOTHER 25 bucks!

Good luck to all.

JimP · October 22, 2002, 06:51:01 PM

Dana, I\'ll bite. What numbers do you have on Hold That Tiger?

Michael D. · October 22, 2002, 07:28:53 PM

TGJB,
Time to review the deletion policy.

TGJB · October 22, 2002, 07:32:56 PM

What is it you want me to delete???

Dana · October 22, 2002, 08:11:27 PM

Jim
I e-mailed you personally. Not sure it\'s right or even welcome by anyone for me to post something like that here. This might not be the proper forum for that. There\'s another message board here I should check out as well, maybe that\'s the one to post stuff like that --
Dana

Dana · October 22, 2002, 08:11:36 PM

Jim
I e-mailed you personally. Not sure it\'s right or even welcome by anyone for me to post something like that here. This might not be the proper forum for that. There\'s another message board here I should check out as well, maybe that\'s the one to post stuff like that --
Dana

cheapclaimer · October 23, 2002, 01:49:17 AM

Why not just post your figs right here? If you\'re right, you can start your own service and make boookooo bucks. LOL.

Dana · October 23, 2002, 12:45:29 PM

That\'s pretty funny! You know there is a reason I (and most of you all) pay $25 bucks a pop for what these guys do. I do have a life and a career -- who the hell has that kind of time! What these guys do is well worth it -- don\'t misunderstand me, even for European races, making accurate numbers is not at all hard, it\'s just super time consuming and these guys package the product so nicely and make everything so convenient! The pattern (cycle) is what matters anyway, numbers are just arbitrary -- anyone who tells you otherwise, just doesn\'t get it.

Alydar in California · October 23, 2002, 07:58:59 PM

Dana wrote: \"The pattern (cycle) is what matters anyway, numbers are just arbitrary -- anyone who tells you otherwise, just doesn\'t get it.\"

And then Dana was run over by a bunch of hyenas.

TGJB · October 23, 2002, 08:05:28 PM

I knew you wouldn\'t let that go past. Too bad you\'re not going to Chicago.

Billy Whizz · October 24, 2002, 07:29:22 AM

Hello Dana, does weight matter on this one?

Going to bet 10k!! thought you didn\'t have a pot to piss in.

Are the ezboard nutters still at it? Haven\'t been there for ages.

Dana · October 24, 2002, 10:32:14 AM

I\'ll provide a serious reply, not that I\'m sure your inquiries merit that!

Yes, weight matters tremendously -- it\'s one of the biggest factors in stakes races in my opinion -- at least in calculating the number I think a horse will run today.

Morons, what I meant by numbers don\'t matter is that if you devoted thrograph fans ever check out Ragozin sheets, for example, I know you\'d never do that, you\'ll often find a GREAT disparity in the numbers. How could that be? This is cold exact science -- numbers are infallable. Right?

Take, Sky Mesa, for example he ran a 4 in his last race on t-graphs. I haven\'t seen the Rags yet, but I\'ll bet (figuratively speaking) his number is considerably higher on Rags -- I\'m guesing maybe an 8 or so -- well, my point is everyone can come up with a differnt number for the same horse in the same race -- what matters is how the horse ran that number, was he gasping for air, was the number aided by a bias, did everything go his way? That\'s what I meant. Bull Market ran a 7 on t-graphs in his last race, but I guess Sky Mesa is 3 points better than Bull Market because he ran a 4 -- while Bull Market was pressured every step of the way on the worst part of the track that day and running hard every step and Sky Mesa was finishing about as fast as a top quality trotter would -- this game must be so much easier than I ever thought; why do I do all this work -- the lower the number the better -- oh, ok, thanks for clearing that up for me.