Secret code horse

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Hawthorne in the good ole days, had a decoder wheel to decipher the track hot choices for the racing day. We look at the TG sheets in the same manner, hoping to decipher the days winners.

Looking at this years BC Classic, Volponi may be this years \"secret code horse\". He\'s been racing close to his tops all year and finally had a small 0.75 move, on his favorite surface, thru his 3yo top; always a very positive sign. The <0.75> minus fig in the Med Cup makes him sneaky good.

Later,

jb

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Anybody who uses TG and didn\'t have this horse, Volponi, should give it up. Try needlepoint or something, because you just don\'t get it.

For those that did, congrats. These golden  opportunities don\'t come around very often, but when they do, yeeeeahaaaah!

jb

[mkram]

Congratulations on your score!  You must have it all figured out.  But, to come across so pompously against others with such conviction is out of line.  I bet my golden opportunities are quite different then yours.  If you didn\'t have the Lemon Drop/VnV exacta, the Early Pioneer/General Challenge exacta, and the Spain win in the BC then YOU don\'t get it either!  How good are you at needlepoint?

[P-Dub]

I agree that he got a little excited and didn\'t need to bash those who didn\'t play the same horse. And you are correct, there are other opportunities that pop up from time to time as you have indicated. But he is right. I gave this horse to my non-sheets using friend the night before and he is whooping it up on his 20wp bet. The genius writing this did have the exacta but ineplicably didn\'t have a dime to win. Jerry\'s analysis also pointed this horse out and at the odds with his pattern most sheet users had to have the winner OR exacta somewhere. This is the type of race that illustrates the value of using thorograph. Nice job Jerry and congrats to all that scored with Volponi. What a nice poni he was yesterday.

[Alydar in California]

Jurmala (bdhsheets, right?) is a good guy from way back, and he should be cut some slack as he celebrates his triumph. He put up Volponi 12 days before the race.

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Not opining whether he is a good guy or not; I\'m sure he is.  Not projecting any ill feelings toward his well-deserved win and celebration; I\'m very happy for a fellow TG player.  Just because he put up the winner 12 days ago, doesn\'t mean he can be so full of himself to put down other nice Thoro players as \"not getting it.\"  I use TG and I didn\'t have Volponi.  I\'m not giving it up as he suggests because I would miss the extra income.  He gets no slack from me.

[Alydar in California]

Marc Kramer,

    Look, there are so many good targets on the two sheets boards. There is Steve Plever, a cowering, lying punk who won\'t show his face here because he knows what will happen if he does (yes, I will literally say this to his face). There is the Crimsonboarder, who really should know better because he has been through this before. I didn\'t have Volponi either. So what? So we do some needlepoint? The guy made a superb pick BEFORE the race. I believe it was his only BC selection here. And he taught me how to cut and paste. And he made a thoughtful post about socialism and Soviet imperialism. And I\'ve seen him go to non-sheets boards and teach people how to read the sheets. He deserves a pass on this one, I think. Just one. OK?

[HP]

Alydar,

Telling people to do needlepoint if they don\'t have your big longshot is no class all the way, regardless of other nice things you\'ve done. Marc is right. Sorry. HP

[Alydar in California]

   HP,

     No need to be sorry. Jurmala went overboard. It was an aberration. He deserved a defense and a character witness.

    Thanks for using my whole first name. Now I need to check the other board.

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Marc Kramer wrote \"Congratulations on your score! You must have it all figured out. But, to come across so pompously against others with such conviction is out of line.\"

Have it all figured out? naah, if I did, I\'d be sitting home with $2.5 mill. Pompous? Hardly. If you didn\'t get this horse without Papa Jerry\'s \"analysis\" (as you implied I did) then you DON\"T get it. Shoot, even rudimentary fastest last race fig (which many Beyerites, Bris, TG and Rag user use) pointed to this horse. A cursory glance at the pp\'s says the class was okay. The yeeeehaaa, from NTRA commercials, is what TG users who got it were yelling. If you took offense, good. But I wasn\'t gloating.

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\"I bet my golden opportunities are quite different then yours. If you didn\'t have the Lemon Drop/VnV exacta, the Early Pioneer/General Challenge exacta, and the Spain win in the BC then YOU don\'t get it either! How good are you at needlepoint?\"

Okay, you bring up a races from years gone by, so what was it specifically that I didn\'t get? Are you sure I didn\'t get it? What was LDK\'s line like or V n\'V\'s, were they slower, faster than others in the race? Whose lines would they compare to today? I\'ll hang up and listen for my answer.

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P-Dub wrote:

\"The genius writing this did have the exacta but ineplicably didn\'t have a dime to win.\"

You know squat about how I played the race.

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\"Jerry\'s analysis also pointed this horse out and at the odds with his pattern most sheet users had to have the winner OR exacta somewhere. This is the type of race that illustrates the value of using thorograph. Nice job Jerry and congrats to all that scored with Volponi. What a nice poni he was yesterday.\"

Maybe Jerry took notes from me ;-)

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HP:

I stand by my comment about not getting it. Perhaps I should have said, go back and review introductory material again; study more ROTW reviews and other suggestions, but needlepoint cuts to the chase. Fact of the matter is, if you\'ve been using TG for any length of time.............you know the rest of it. BTW: Talking about class HP, look in the mirror sometime. Some of the stuff you write has \"class\" written all over it.

jb

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Alydar:

Thanks for the defence and being a charachter reference in my abscence, but you shouldn\'t have sided with a \"troglydite\" LOL.

The Latvian Orthodoxy has always been to fight like hell. The Latvian Red Army during the revolution of 1917/18 went to Moscow and helped put Lenin on the throne and became his personal guard. When Uncle Joe came to power, the first thing he did was liquidate them. German divisions manned by Latvians fought the Russians in Latvia to a standstill till the day Berlin fell. Groups of them continued fighting until the mid 50\'s, bringing the rath of Moscow on Latvia, with an intense russification policy. At the time of its 2nd independence, Latvia was barely 53% Latvian. That\'s enough for todays history lesson, LOL.

If Jerry had the balls, he would\'ve made Volponi the pick in the Classic and offered a cold exacta box with Medag. That would\'ve CRUSHED THE COMPETITION! LOL Talking about bragging rights......................

jb

[mkram]

Dude Dude Dude calm down and have a beer (or do whatever calms you down).  For a person that just had a nice score, there seems to be alot of hostility.

1)  I did not imply that you didn\'t get this horse w/o TG\'s analysis.  Read my original comments.  I believe that you picked the horse based on your handicapping philosiphies.  Kudos!!

2)  My comments were not directed at any gloating whether it took place or not.  I challenged the assertion that others don\'t get it yadi yadi yadi if they didn\'t have Volponi.  I didn\'t have him.  Based on my handicapping philosiphies, I thought he would bounce.  You made the right call, I didn\'t.  I am not a \"rudimentary fastest last figs\" player.  Worked this time at a big price.  They way you talk, you make it sound like a foregone conclusion everytime.

3)  You missed my point.  One man\'s failures are another man\'s golden opportunities and vice versa.  I was on the failure end this time.  I stated that \"if\" you didn\'t have those horses...never said you didn\'t have them.  If indeed you didn\'t have them, should I rant that you should give it up and practice needlepoint.  I don\'t think so.  I don\'t care to share my successful TG handicapping philosiphies with you.

4)  P-Dub wrote:

\"The genius writing this did have the exacta but ineplicably didn\'t have a dime to win.\"

Your reply: You know squat about how I played the race.

The hostility is intense.  P-Dub was talking about himself not you!!

Good luck in the future.

[P-Dub]

You\'re right Mark, I was talking about myself. How would I know how he played the race?  I also wasn\'t implying that one could only have this horse if they had read Jerry\'s comments. Jurmala pointed this horse out a couple weeks prior. There were a few horses that could have been played, Volponi being one of them. My comments about Jerry\'s analysis were meant to imply that by reading them it would have further pointed out this horse. Not only did sheet users notice him but the maker of the figs and someone who is well versed in them ALSO pointed the horse out. Nobody is trying to discredit Jurmala. In addition to saying nice job Jerry, perhaps I should have included Jurmala\'s name also. No disrespect intended.

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Marc K & P_dub:

Please accept my apoligies.....

Every horse in the race had a chink in their armour so to speak. Long layoff into the Classic for many of the 3yo\'s which doesn\'t work, several 2nd off the layoff not a positive for this race, an ugly X after 4 neg #\'s Macho, EA off 2 big numbers last going backwards, Volp off the top, but it was a break through his 3yo top, a very positive angle and a must play at most odds.

Azeri, never having regressed, with another small top in her last (after 3 straight 1\'s)was also a very positive line. Why I didn\'t play her is beyond me. The others weren\'t exactly strong. Tried to beat a \"short\" price, just plain stupid.

There really isn\'t anything that mysterious about Catalin\'s Euro numbers. Visit www.globeform.com, they do a nice job evaluating Euro/US horses. They loved Domedriver if I recall correctly. By reading www.racingpost.co.uk and www.sportinglife.com on a regular basis, you\'ll have a pretty good handle on horses that venture over here. The beautiful thing about the Racing Post is you can type in a horses name at the top of the page and get their pp\'s, click on the date of the race and you\'ll get a chart, not like ours, but still quite handy. If the race was in the UK, they most often will have an analysis. Another big bonus is you can retrieve their charts for the last ten years. Those guys do it right unlike Americas Turf Authority the DRF.

Hope that helps.

jb

[HP]

\"BTW: Talking about class HP, look in the mirror sometime. Some of the stuff you write has \"class\" written all over it.\"

I guess I should thank you, but I don\'t think you mean this as a compliment. Mind if I ask what you are talking about? HP