Chuckles' go to horse

[spa]

Was,what was his name...toothlessness

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

lol

I admit I did place a flyer on Teufle, but you know the horses I bet serious.

Solve the scramble yet?

We may need to recruit Richiebeebeebee for this one


spa Wrote:
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> Was,what was his name...toothlessness

[richiebee]

...from the Loblolly Stable of Mr Anthony, who did Ok in Triple Crown races

First there was Temp Hill, Belmont winner trained by Mr Charlsie Cantey

Chuckpasser\'s scramble horse and another Loblolly Preakness winner had the same
initials...

Since Chuck\'s feeling quizzy, who can name the last Derby winner to sire a Derby
winner? This deceased stallion also has sired a Preakness and a Belmont winner.

Speaking of Derby winning stallions from 1980 on,IMO only 2 Derby winners went
forward as influential studs: The quiz answer and Sunday Silence, who of course
did his best work while getting bred to only top broodmares in Japan. Have
always wondered what SS could have done given a more substantial stateside
opportunity.

And going back into the \'70s, some would say that of the 3 Triple Crown winners
only Slew equaled his ontrack brillance in the stallion barn. Perhaps the
biggest disappointment from the 70s was the colt his trainer called the \"best
horse to look through a bridle;\" he ended up as an undistinguished stud in New
York State. No argument to those who mention Alydar\'s race and stud record.

Enough history: Can a TG sheet reader with more experience than me (almost all
of you) tell me if there has ever been a colt who has started his career as
impressively as the good looking Curlin, who has hung up 4 \"l\'oeufs\" in his
first 4 races? Not a Preakness endorsement, just an observation

L\'oeuf is French for \"egg\". This is where we get the term \"love\" in tennis
scoring, meaning zero. Extra points though if someone can tell me why tennis
scoring progresses from 15 to 30 to 40, and not 45. I have asked some tennis
authorities and no one can solve this one for me.

[spa]

Do you know how SS met his end...........

[Flighted Iron]

The convention of numbering scores \"15\", \"30\" and \"40\" comes from quinze, trente and quarante, which to French ears makes a euphonious sequence, or from the quarters of a clock (15, 30, 45) with 45 simplified to 40.[10]
 I\'m not on board with Curlin either.SS is the goods here.TAP good possibility
for 2nd with either gun.Good luck.

[SoCalMan2]

In terms of trivia, I think Grindstone was the last Derby winner to be sired by a Derby Winner (Unbridled).

In terms of linguistics...I think L\'ouef means \"the egg\"...not just \"egg.\"

In russian Yaitza means either of \"egg\" or \"the egg\" (Russian does not have the concept of articles as a part of speech).  However, egg may also be used to refer to balls (i.e. testicles).  So, you could say that Curlin has started his career with four straight yaitza which would mean either eggs or balls.  Of course, after 4 balls, the batter is supposed to take a walk and not keep batting.  

The only thing I feel confident about in this Preakness is that you can safely throw out Curlin.  He for sure will not be on any of my tickets -- not even in the 4th position.  I just hope that I can find some value for doing that.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

richiebee Wrote:
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> ...from the Loblolly Stable of Mr Anthony, who did
> Ok in Triple Crown races
>
> First there was Temp Hill, Belmont winner trained
> by Mr Charlsie Cantey
>
> Chuckpasser\'s scramble horse and another Loblolly
> Preakness winner had the same
> initials...

Theres two scrambled horses in that scramble quiz and an implication to a third horse and finally an implied deduction to a fourth horse.

Halo Crowns Angel Secretariat Six Rowdy

?


>
> Since Chuck\'s feeling quizzy, who can name the
> last Derby winner to sire a Derby
> winner? This deceased stallion also has sired a
> Preakness and a Belmont winner.

Unbridled: Grindstone, Red Bullet and Empire Maker....Grindstone also sired Belmont winner Birdstone


>
> Speaking of Derby winning stallions from 1980
> on,IMO only 2 Derby winners went
> forward as influential studs: The quiz answer and
> Sunday Silence, who of course
> did his best work while getting bred to only top
> broodmares in Japan. Have
> always wondered what SS could have done given a
> more substantial stateside
> opportunity.

I think Sunday Silence is the leading money winning sire of all time. But thats inflated purses on grass in Japan.

>
> And going back into the \'70s, some would say that
> of the 3 Triple Crown winners
> only Slew equaled his ontrack brillance in the
> stallion barn. Perhaps the
> biggest disappointment from the 70s was the colt
> his trainer called the \"best
> horse to look through a bridle;\" he ended up as an
> undistinguished stud in New
> York State. No argument to those who mention
> Alydar\'s race and stud record.

Spectacular Bid, but Alydar sired a slew of top runners, not many went on to be influential sires. Alydar himself was a tremendous sire and the horse that put the last nail in the Dosage Coffin.

By the way \"The OTB\" guy rated Street Sense as the only horse that didn\'t qualify on Distance Ability. That said, I\'m not so sure Street Sense was not beginning to show signs of distance limitation in that race.

>
> Enough history: Can a TG sheet reader with more
> experience than me (almost all
> of you) tell me if there has ever been a colt who
> has started his career as
> impressively as the good looking Curlin, who has
> hung up 4 \"l\'oeufs\" in his
> first 4 races? Not a Preakness endorsement, just
> an observation
>
> L\'oeuf is French for \"egg\". This is where we get
> the term \"love\" in tennis
> scoring, meaning zero. Extra points though if
> someone can tell me why tennis
> scoring progresses from 15 to 30 to 40, and not
> 45. I have asked some tennis
> authorities and no one can solve this one for me.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Laminitis,

The Japanese would not put him down. He layed down and died of a heart attack.

spa Wrote:
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> Do you know how SS met his end...........

[miff]

Perhaps the
biggest disappointment from the 70s was the colt his trainer called the \"best
horse to look through a bridle;\" he ended up as an undistinguished stud in New
York State.


Bee,

For those who never saw Dr.Fager, just have look up his record and watch his races to agree with John Nerud.


Mike

[fkach]

I never saw Dr. Fager other than on film (and his PPs), but I have a tough time thinking anyone was better than him from the more modern era of racing.  

Horses have run individual better races (like Secretariart in the Belmont), but Fager was a super great sprinter, middle distance horse, turf horse, weight carrier and pretty much everything else.

I tend to be a big fan of speed horses because I think their ability is generally underrated. They almost always get used early, so maybe I\'m biased. But I have dreams of a Seattle Slew/Dr Fager match race. In fact, that\'s my criteria for heaven. If I can\'t see that race, it can\'t be heaven.
;-)

[miff]

Fkach,

Despite carrying a human anchor,Jean Cruget,the great Slew was a mere mortal vs Fager.John Nerud was holding court at the SPA some 20 years ago and said to me:

\"You see dem tings you got there, sonny(my TG sheets),Fager would have run off the page\" I believe him.


Mike

[fkach]

The 3YO Seattle Slew never ran fast numbers, but IMO he was better than he looked.

How many horses that are off slowly, bulled through a large field to duel and set a fast pace actually hit the board going 10F, let alone win?

Granted there wasn\'t much behind him, but I think as a 4YO he vindicated those that thought he was special. I\'ll never forget his 12F race against Exceller. I was standing on the ground floor at the finish line and could see him coming again. I thought I was watching something other worldly. ;-)

I had $2 to win on him on that day. I planned on keeping the ticket forever. My wallet was stolen about 10-15 years later. I didn\'t care as much about the money, credit cards, and other papers as I did about that losing ticket.

In it\'s place now is a $50 exacta Go for Wand over Bayakoa.

Two sad days for me, but two wonderful horses that gave me some of my best memories at the track.

[albany]

Mike:

We are in agreement.

Dr. Fager, at least the mature 4yo version, was, in the words of John Nerud, \"the greatest horse who ever looked through a bridle.\"

Unmatched in competitive spirit (e.g., witness his savaging of In Reality), he could accomplish 6f in under 1:08 and 1 1/4 miles in under 2:00 all while carrying crushing weight.  Simply stated, he was the best I\'ve seen.

Albany

[bobphilo]

I think the greatness of the good Doctor is a rare issue on which we all agree.
He was the only horse to ever win Eclipse awards as best sprinter, best older horse, best turf horse and Horse of the Year, all in the same year.
 
I was lucky enough to grow up in the DR. Fager era and remember his classic battles with Damascus. The only way they could beat him was by running the rabbit Hedevar (a quality sprinter in his own right).

I recall that Brisnet once had a fantasy BC Classic with all the great horses in history and they had Dr. Fager and Seattle Slew battling it out in incredible early fractions. I think Secretariat or Man \'o War caught them late.
Of course it was fantasy, but just the thought of these 2 giants battling tooth and claw for the lead gave me chills.

Bob

[miff]

Bob,

I was just 18 in 1968 and saw the DR win the Vosburgh carrying 139 lbs(spotting weight up to 34 lbs) in 1.20.1 for 7f.I have never seen a performance like that in 40 years.


Mike