Advice Please

[curly]

I am a newer user of the thorographs and looking to supplement my income on a weekly/monthly basis by using these.  Any advice that you can give me to make money in this game?  Would getting the thorographs on a daily basis and picking one race that sticks out be good?  Or waiting for a chance to play one horse a week be better?  Im looking to make around $1000 plus a week to add in the bank.  Any suggestions or advice you can give?

[ltg]

Quit while your ahead

[marcus]

curly - should have been around last saturday at the \" Saratoga Track \" to box an exacta FF w / Mr. BS   . . .

[curly]

Well I def wasn\'t around for that...  still havent received any decent advice on how to profit in the long term..  or if my idea to use my money as a short term inventment per opportunity is even a good idea... someone please help.

[P-Dub]

Curly,

If there was a way to pick up a cool grand every week,  we all would be doing it.

There is no magic formula. Some people play P3s, others Tris and Supers, some strictly Win bets, others try to grind out a profit in the Show pools. Some form syndicates to hit the P6.  Some prefer maiden races,  others turf races, stakes races, clainers, on and on.  Find your own style.  Play lightly (sorry Len) until you feel comfortable with your results and go from there. Personally,  I have always preferred turf races as I feel TG is second to none with their figures.

There is no one way to be successful, thats what makes this such an interesting game.  Good Luck.

[curly]

I understand there isnt a magic formula.. just wanted to see if anything stuck out a little more in a betting perspective (whether it be kinds of races to play or type of bet to place) to do to make that profit...I appreciate your input.. thanks.  

[P-Dub]

Curly,

I would practice in the Red Board Room daily.  Look at different races and practice making selections before you know the results.  As stated previously, the turf numbers are really good.

[jbelfior]

I agree with P-Dub. This product\'s turf numbers are the best I have ever used.

If that doesn\'t work for you, you can always call Mike Warren who promises to make EVERYONE $1,000 a week.


Good Luck,
Joe B.

[marcus]

Curly - People on the Thoro-Graph Ask The Experts Board are always very generous with their time , opinions and advice when they don\'t get the impression that \" somebody \" is  pulling their leg  - one reason you may feel that no good advice has been given to you is for this exact reason . Perhaps if you were to reveal your true identity and ernestly engage in a dialog regarding handicapping and wagering strategies you might find those willing to talk substantively - however at present , your post\'s on this thread do not lack transparency but rather they do lack a certain scincerity .

With that said and along with TG\'s permission , at some point if you can produce a set of Thoro-Graph sheets ( and drf pp\'s w/ ML odds) and bring them to the Coffey st pier in the Red Hook section of Brooklyn ( the neighborhood where I reside ) and I\'ll go through the race card with you and try to identify which type of races and horse\'s merit consideration . I\'ve worked off and on for TG since 1988 and personally have had of the best people in the business ( incl JB )  provide guidence and tuttledge for sheet reading and wagering stragtegies etc - maybe  Jerry himself , who just won the Del Mar Handicapping Contest , might want to join in at the pier and get away from his desk for a couple hours some afternoon this summer  - I strongly recommend  car or livery serice to and from Red Hook though  - public transportation here is not the smart option .    

I can be reached here or at the person to person section of the TG Ask The Experts Forum , also  by clicking on my name \" marcus \" at the top of this post will take you to my email address ...

 Finally and for starters - Read any Book by Andrew Beyer  and also read  \" Consistent Handicapping Profits \" authored by E.W. Donaldson published by Montee Publishing of Baltimore and stay away from the Ragozin Handicapping \" book \" or others like it ( as has been advised to me ) that are full of inequities and ladden with misnonmers about handicapping and wagering is one tid bit of advice that I would give you even though it\'s fairly evident that you are not who you porport to be and  to prove I\'m correct about this is that you ( based on your curly postings ) wouldn\'t know good from bad advice at this point  ...                    - mark s. natale ( marcus )      

[1st time lasix]

 I agree with P-dub in many respects. Handicapping and wagering on the horses is a personal challange that you must customise to your own risk tolerance and bankroll. There is no set way to comprehensively handicap every race in the same manner. The angles that apply or the numbers from Thoro-graph that work for one particular race may not produce a desirable outcome in the next. Only through experience, dicipline and a command of wagering strategies can a regular beat the \"take out\" in a paramutual game. Your experience helps you identify potential opportunities.  In order to pull down a particular amount each day or each week...you must be willing to wager enough on those particular opportunies you uncover. They are a hundred ways to lose a race {particularly when trying to cash exotics} and there is only one way to win. What makes this game a mental challange and so very difficult is that \"one way\" changes from day-to day.

[richiebee]

Curly:

    I am 51 and have been working for a living for 30 years and going to the track for 30 years. I have enjoyed the track more than anything in my life, loved it so much I spent 8 years working on the backstretch before my back started aching and I got tired of people telling me I was mucho loco for waking up at 5 AM seven days a week.

    The friends I made at the track are the friends I have kept for life.

    My opinion is that a large majority of the people who say betting thoroughbred racing can ever be a consistent source of income have one thing in common-- they are slightly delusional. The best source of additional income I have found is to work extra jobs or extra hours. Not so romantic or exciting, but slightly more realistic.

    The TG data is top notch when used in conjunction with DRF\'s data. The people at TG, from TGJB on down are knowledgeable and willing to share their knowledge. The Saratoga seminars are tremendous because the TG guys stay near the Carolina Cue throughout the racing day and are available to discuss the races throughout the day. The TG board is a good source of information if you can filter through a lot of the dicta and dross.

    I think my best advice be to a fellow who wants to utilize thoroughbred racing as a source of income is to isolate the types of wagers or the types of races you have a comfort level with, and put most of your efforts into those races. Some of us love turf racing, while a certain prolific poster currently on his yearly summer hiatus probably never bets a turf race. Steve Crist is on record as saying he hopes NYRA never writes another turf sprint, echoing the sentiments of a poster on the Rag board who uses the name of a malodorous musical momma of days gone by.

    The bottom line is that less is more. If you are an action guy who needs to bet the entire card I have little hope for your survival.

    If you take Marcus up on his offer, make sure he takes you to Defontes, especially on a Friday. Bet the cold exacta-- 1/3 loaf potato and egg, 1/3 loaf shrimp with red gravy.

[Michael D.]

curly,

betting on horses is a hobby.

you have a better shot of making $1,000 a week breeding curly horses.


http://www.curlyhorses.org/standard.html


you could even name one curly jr.

....

seriously, go through the form every day, pick out nine races you find interesting, and buy a TG create-a-card.

if you pick races that TG sells picks for, go back the next day and see what they did with the race (redboard room).

start with a trial run though. this ain\'t easy, even with the good numbers.

[flushedstraight]

keep in mind that $1000 net profit translates to $1400+ pre-tax winnings, as all income must be reported to the feds... and send my regards to Larry & Moe

[NoCarolinaTony]

\"Comon Fella\'s--- we got work to do\"....Larry Fine

I couldn\'t resist


NC Tony

[Dana666]

You never said what your bankroll is and how many days you\'d plan to play -- that would help.

I can tell you, you\'re liable to go up and down as it\'s darn near impossible to predict a certain amount per week.

Anyway, here\'s my advice -- probably counter to many others here.

Pick one track or circuit to focus on and stick to that track or tracks.

Keep good notes, use Brisnet\'s Virtual Stable thing where you can make notes and they remind you when your horses are working or running.

I\'m also a believer in video replays, so check out the sites like racereplays where they have most tracks on file.

Make sheets part of the equation, but you can\'t make them all of it, as evidenced by the thorograph analysis provided here in the redboard room -- they just look at sheets (and nothing else) for plays every day and you\'ll go broke real fast doing that as evidenced by their picks. You\'ve got to know the horses and have your own opinions and stick to them -- use everything else T-Graphs, etc as added information that helps you clarify and sharpen your opinion.

I think you might also focus on one kind of race like grass races or maiden races -- maiden races are especially good in my opinion -- you can really separate the wheat from the chaff in those types of races when you have an opinion. You should check out some videos on confirmation and stuff and get a better idea of what you\'re looking for if you don\'t know.

Certain tracks have clocker services available, that can be worth checking out as well.

Good luck.