Response to Jake's post on the Ragozin Board

[TGAB]

JB had to pick up his girlfriend at the airport. He promises to deal with all this stuff tomorrow.

[Brettfavre]

Not THE Joe Friedberg!!!

[Friendly]

teekay,

Of course we can get along. My point is that I agree with everything you said in that last post.

Unfortunately pappy doesn\'t - paranoia, they detroy ya.

silly boy ya\' self-destroyer. silly boy ya\' self-destroyer

silly boy you got so much to live for
so much to aim for, so much to try for
you blow it all with, paranoia
you\'re so insecure you, self-destroyer


Jerry, JR.

[PhilR]

point taken.....I\'m glad your business has increased as I certainly have no ill will for you or your business,,,,nor do I feel any favoritism towards the Rags...

Guess I\'ll live without on-line sheets for a few more weeks (months??? years???).....as your reply indicates that you\'re not interested in anyone\'s business who could care less about your feud with Ragozin.....

Happy handicapping

[superfreakicus]

tegger queries,

\"You want nothing to do with JB and his product yet you have managed to post 114 times and at least 75% of those posts included negative comments about JB or TG. Why do you post here if you want nothing to do with JB or TG?\"

I think somebody\'s been peeking at my profile........
I also think your % is grossly exaggerated so as to mislead your readers.
if you\'ve got a legit point, you shouldn\'t have to lie to people.
anyway, until now, I think the principle negativity I\'ve directed towrds jerry has been towards the picks I\'ve seen FROM him, not HIM.
I invited him to correct my opinion on this in the tourney --- he declined.
I really see no point in these endless pissy threads, but I took exception to something I read, so I crossed over the line.
oh, to answer your question, I registered here because I was interested in the HP/DP tourney.


tegger goes on to ask,

\"Even more importantly, don\'t you think it is amazing that JB sees fit to allow you to post over a hundred times yet any posts by JB or his allies on Rags is immediately deleted?\"

no.



Curious Tegger continues his line of questioning,

\"Why post on this site so frequently if you so hate him, his behavior and his judgement and have no desire to use his product? Are you just an altruistic soul looking to save us from ourselves? \"

no.
it\'s a time killer.
once again, I think you are intentionally exaggerating your case, and leading the witness.
(and badgering)


\"These boards become choked by people with non-handicapping agendas such as you and David (sometimes G.) Patent.\"


finally some accuracy.
fortunately, The Sheets have a strict deletion policy which prevents this from happening there.



\"In addition, I don\'t know a handicapper alive that would not buy either Rags or TG if they thought the product would make them winners despite what they thought of Len or Jerry. Some might even be induced to sell selected family members if it would give them more winners!\"

these sound like some very hard up horseplayers.
tell your TG using friends to check out Len\'s tapes sometime --- if they have more questions on reading lines, or the product in general, feel free to ask @ The Sheets board.

[Michael D.]

Phil,
The negative posts come from both sides, you just don\'t realize it. Also, if you think TG offers better customer service (which you do), how could you have ignored the post from the Rags office which attacked the work ethic of the TG employees? I understand your point, but you should learn ALL of the facts before you make your decisions.

[PhilR]

thanx for the response Michael....and I don\'t disagree with anything you said
but you kinda made my point.....most consumers (including me) do not understand nor care about the Rag vs Thoro on-going fight....

As a consumer, I don\'t want to hear Coke run a negative ad campaign against Pepsi...I want to be educated on the positive aspects of Coke...

Thoro has a much more solid product than Rag (more info/electronic downloads)....He could beat Rags just by focusing on his positives as opposed to continuously running his negative campaign against Ragozin...

It\'s his business and he has chosen his marketing model....my point is he \"might\" be better off focusing on his positives and if he\'s right about Ragozin (and I won\'t get into that fight) he will hang himself...

That said I will continue to use Ragozin as Thoro has made it VERY clear that he is not interested in my business.....

[Michael D.]

Phil,
I made your point? Please read the post again. The posts you do not like COME FROM BOTH SIDES, YOU JUST DON\'T REALIZE IT. If you do not understand the battle (as you say), how can you possibly define it? If you do not understand the battle, how in the world have you concluded that TG is the bad guy?

[Richie]

Anyone who says stuff like, I been wanting to switch to yor product but because of the way you act I can\'t do it or some crap similiar to that, is a jack ass, plain an simple. It\'s like saying i\'d love to slam that beautiful big breasted girl, but her IQ is to low.

[Two Bucks]

This whole Rags/TG fight is just a great big conspiracy from both sides to increase sales of BOTH products.

Yours truly,
Oliver Stone

[Friendly]

Richie...or saying, customers want to buy my product, but they feel too much pressure.

[tonyk]

Every horse player knows you can handicap until your eyes fall out of your head,it still dosen\'t mean your gonna get to cash out ,there are too many other influences at work (racing luck,trip,stable intent ).So these handicapping tools we use are just guides to navigate us to post time ,it all comes down to instinct .I didn\'t need Jerry or Len to tell me to search for value ,its what i\'ve done since I was cuttin\' school to go to Aqueduct.Look for the best chance to win at the best price (I spent a whole winter cursing Stevie \"Wonder\" Cauthen because of lack of value) there are a ton of sharpies lined up for a slice of the same pie ,it\'s a tough game .So to take anyone thing as law is a discipline I know nothing about.It just seems to me that when I use TG ,I can see some rhyme and reason for where I failed as a handicapper ,where as with \"THE SHEETS\" I don\'t always see it.I also appreciate that JB shows the RBR to go over cards gone by,I get a chance to look at tracks I might not otherwise bother with .Everybody wins sometimes and everybody takes it on the chin sometimes ,I tip my hat to both Len and Jerry  ,for their insight to this difficult game.

[Friendly]

Great post teekay - thanks for your unbiased honesty.

Good racing!

[PhilR]

enough is enough and I\'m outta here....

tho to you Richie....takes a VERY BRAVE man to call someone a jack ass with a keyboard...

[Richie]

hey phil, the point was made, if you prefer to be called a jackass to your face, press it against the monitor.