The Magnificent Seven in no particular order

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Afleet Alex
Bandini
Bellamania
Greater Good
Greeley\'s Galaxy
High Fly
Wilko

[spa]

Replace Greater Good with Sort It Out and let\'s do it......

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Sort it out is gonna be on my tickets...these are the seven i think can win. Though some appear very remote.

[jimbo66]

Can\'t wait to hear which one you are giving the 60% chance to win......

[spa]

CtC, we need to drop Greeley\'s Galaxy for Sun King.....Greeley doesn\'t appear to like the surface.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Sun King is perplexing.

Zito has called him his \"Captain\", but that may have been pre Bellamy and High Fly, who both came to him late this year. He knows Sun King since his 2 year old year.

The issue with Sun King is the two turn issue. Specifically the performance figures in the two turn races and as much as Zito and his opinion of his horses has to be respected, how does a handicapper ignore what on paper is an issue?

Greeley\'s work habits are troubling and perhaps enough to eliminate him as a possible winner. More review is needed.

[sabowen]

I\'m interested in the angle that when supposedly given the choice, Prado decided to stay on Sun King rather than Noble Causeway who seems to be improving (beyers up).  Aside from NC\'s derby race type-profile, is there any reason anyone knows why Prado would stay aboard Sun King?

[spa]

It\'s a question of bottom....Sun King\'s got serious experience as a 2 year old. This race shapes up, to me, as a classic contrast between solid experienced, tested veterans and really untested \"morning glories\" that avoided the big battles. It should be a great race and a super race card.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Sun King continues to trouble me. He certainly skipped the big battles this year. His Bluegrass was a useful effort perhaps. Strange Track. hard to be enamored with the tardiness out of the gate, but it could be derby training i suppose.

[NoCarolinaTony]

Before the Derby \"Works\" did anyone observe how he worked for his previous races? If he worked the same  there\'s no issue, but know of you folks really know that answer.

NC Tony

No one is mentioning Greater Good at all. I don\'t like him on the win end, but in the loss to AA, the pace was slow and he didn\'t have much of a chance to show his best. He finished really well in the prior race and had been slowly improving. I think this is one of those \"superfecta\" horses that should be included. I think he can certainly suck up for a piece of the pie if the pace is fast and that last furlong is a problem for some of the other faster horses.



Post Edited (05-06-05 10:26)

[HP]

Since the Magnificent Seven include the three top betting choices, I\'m wondering why this is a good race to bet a lot of money on?  Isn\'t that really the problem with this race?  You have (for my money) two short priced horses that you really can\'t toss.  

My list is only five

Afleet Alex
High Fly
High Limit
Sun King
Wilko

If I hear anything futzy about Wilko\'s shoes he\'s out, plus I\'ll probably only use him \"under\" (WARNING - The ones I only use \"under,\" especially at long prices, often win, resulting in much gnashing of teeth).  

I might play BRoad over the four (w/out Afleet Alex), but I don\'t see the point of playing the top choices together in the exotics...  I have to believe BRoad is going to back up for a variety of reasons and I figure I may as well play him to back up enough to let the others all the way in.  I don\'t think it\'s a great draw for him either...  

It should be a great race, but maybe not the greatest betting Derby (although I will be swinging in the exactas with the longer priced ones on my list (the Filthy Five?)).

Good luck!

HP

[sekrah]

HP.

You got the same 5 as me.

[HP]

FWIW Class,

If I was going way deep in here for the supers and the like, I might use GGalaxy, AHero and perhaps a few others.  GGood is not impossible.  I just don\'t think I\'m going that route...  You could certainly do well if you could figure out this year\'s Limehouse...  

HP

[sekrah]

I wouldn\'t be suprised to see the Lukas horse sneak into the Super and be very competitive in the Preakness.  He\'s very seasoned and is coming back around..