Here\'s are the Thoro-Graph sheets for the Wood Memorial field.

http://www.thorograph.com/hold/wood2005.pdf

Chuckles_the_Clown2: thx Alan, i\'ll lay the floating grid over it and see what it says.

Silver Charm: Thanks Alan.

With each race that gets run theWood figures keep holding up. The only thing that isn\'t are the constant arguments to the contrary.....

Also in lew of how well Galloping Grocer ran next out have you considered that maybe the Wood figure wasn\'t fast enough.

Looking forward to your response.

Chuckles_the_Clown2: Silver Charm wrote:

 
> With each race that gets run theWood figures keep holding up.

I\'m lost. How does a 6.5 length swing indicate the Wood numbers are holding up? Scrappy got 3 pds in a one turn race. What it demonstrates to me is that Scrappy did not run his race in the Wood and a turd merchant horse that has been over-rated from the inception lucked into picking up the pieces because no one showed up.

> Also in lew of how well Galloping Grocer ran next out have you
> considered that maybe the Wood figure wasn\'t fast enough.
>

Certainly, why not? Lets say Scrappy has been pairing 2\'s all along and Survivalist knocked down a 1 in the Wood and give Bellamy Road a Negative 8 and Crown him the Fastest Horse of All Time. He\'s close enough now. If we give Bellamy a negative 8 doesnt it look pretty good as far as graphing the rest of the field with the possible exception of Survivalist? HEY!!!...why are we always back factoring this race on this horse?

Silver Charm: >why are we always back factoring this race on this horse?

Because this race is off the charts. Period

See post below immediately after race.

Re: Aqueduct-Split Variants??
Author: Silver Charm
Date:   04-09-05 19:11

Negative 10

Chuckles_the_Clown2: Well, all i can say is i wish we could be sure he didn\'t bounce in the Derby, but i\'ll settle for this: Theres some pretty good horses out there this year and we\'ll have enough races to evaluate him on if they keep him in top company (Which he hasnt even sniffed yet) I do think hes got a nice turn of foot, but he is a headstrong S.O.B. and thats the problem.

Silver Charm: You are totally correct and I said all those same things about Spend a Buc.

Chuckles_the_Clown2: The problem was Spend a Buck dodged top company after the Derby. He almost got beat by Creme Fraiche at a distance Creme wasn\'t as good at.

I will grant BR is a Spend a Buck/King Glorious type. The difference is theres lots of Eternal Princes in the Derby.



Post Edited (04-30-05 23:25)

ezgoer89: Now Spanish Chestnut is in... who will be up on the lead with Greely\'s Galaxy, Bellamy Road, and High Limit... with the forgotten solid High Fly waiting for them all to collapse and inhaling them before they field hits the quarter pole.  

Who\'s going to run him down?

Chuckles_the_Clown2: ezgoer89 wrote:

> Now Spanish Chestnut is in... who will be up on the lead with
> Greely\'s Galaxy, Bellamy Road, and High Limit...

Unless he breaks poorly I would anticipate Spanish Chestnut winging on the lead, but don\'t ignore the work Going Wild just turned in. The press is distracted with Bellamania.


> forgotten solid High Fly waiting for them all to collapse and
> inhaling them before they field hits the quarter pole.

A possible result. Or if Bellamania is legit its possible his second challenge could come from High Fly with about 2 marks to go.

> Who\'s going to run him down?

Theres a few that will take third crack.

Now to the point. The DRF has come out and stated that the two turn variant Wood day was a \"10\". Thats very interesting. Lets do a little comparison with Don Six, who admittedly is a good horse. The Aqueduct track record at 6 marks is 1.07.2

Don six had never before tied a track record. He\'d only come a second away from 3 year old bests at the distance. In his previous race at Aqueduct, (The Poumonok)-

(LATER: I lost track of the fact this race was on the INNERTUBE so the variant comparison is not relevant. I still think the little review sheds some light on the track speed Wood Day)

,Don Six ran a Negative 4.1 at six marks. The raw time was

.22  .44.4  1.08.4

He won by 2 lengths on a DRF 18 variant.

Wood Day in the 7 furlong Carter, Don Six ran the following fractions attemtping to pace for 7 marks:

21.2, 43.1, 1:07.2, 1:21

Essentially, Don Six tied the track record for 6 marks. (Whats very interesting is Medalist and Forest Danger were right there and get credit for essentially the same 1.07.2 fraction.) But back to Don Six, who wants to bet the difference between a 18 variant and a 10 variant is not 9 lengths at 4 marks and 8 lengths in track record time at 6 marks in a 7 furlong race?

Caveat, (DRF may have made the sprint variant lower. I am not sure of that.)

Essentially, we had four track records Wood Day. One in the Wood. Three in the Carter and don\'t forget how the SNW1X New York Bred Slow Rats moved:

22.73, 45.47, 1:10.51, 1:37.50

Smoooookkkkkin



Post Edited (05-02-05 09:31)

high roller: hi jerry,

was ghostzapper a minus 6 in the breeders cup?

or is bellamy road now the fastest of all time?

i remember left bank got a -4 in 1999.

jimbo66: High Roller,

Ghostzapper was NOT a 6 in the Breeders cup, but he was a \"-6\" in the Iselin at Monmouth, which he paired up in the Woodward against Saint Liam going 1 1/8.

But GZ is the fastest horse of all time on T-Graph.

Sorry about answering for JB, but those figures have been publicized on this board a few times now, I don\'t think I am giving anything away.

high roller: give what away? what a foolish statement, this is a discussion board

jimbo66: You are welcome Mike.  What a jerk.

high roller: oh yeah, i\'ll keep the minus 6 on ghostzapper a secret, this way he will be 2/5 instead of 1/5 in his next race.

the mindless stupidity on these discussion boards sometimes really sadly exposes the state of mankind.luckily these same fools also bet on horses, therefore allowing me to take it.