Hong Kong racing

[Roman]

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/truly-remarkable-longines-hkir-gives-fans-everything-they-could-ask-for/

Almost a quarter billion US dollars in handle, full fields with great racing. The info they provide and that is available is second to none. The replays are in HD with some very helpful angles , especially at the gate.

Also it seems so transparent that everything the horse does gets recorded. Horse goes for a swim, they note it, every equipment change down to the bits the horses use, if they bled, any vet treatments, stewards notes f interested, which horses got tested and why after the race, jockey interviews explaining a poor performance.

And almost 70,000 through the turnstiles. And by the look of the crowd, there were all types there. Young,old,male and fenale.

Why can’t we do this here?

And why wouldn’t a track or organization like NYRA implement what is working in Hong Kong.
They are thriving , while the US is on life support, having meaningless meetings in Arizona while the status quo endures. Very hard to square the two scenes, what once was here is now there, and no there here.

[jma11473]

We can\'t do it here because the government controls all gambling in Hong Kong and there is no gambling competition for horse racing. They also control horse breeding and training itself so it\'s the same horses all the time.

If you could ban all sports gambling and casinos here so horse racing was the only form of gambling, only have one racetrack open at a time, and have the federal government control every aspect of racing at that track, then you\'d have comparable situations in the U.S. and Hong Kong.

Not denying the good aspects of their product, like all the available information, but it\'s like comparing apples and bowling balls.

[pip4126]

Does anyone know why all of his horses were scratched at Remington Park tonight?

[Fairmount1]

As usual, I\'m very impressed with horse racing and transparency.  One owner suggested calling another owner.  The jock agents had no answer.  No word from the barn itself last i heard.  No word from the track itself.  Maybe there has been something dreamed up since earlier today but no answers is typical racing, isn\'t it?

If I posted this question I\'d be accused of being a conspiracy theorist.

But see I guess when these top trainers ship all the way there like Baffert did with the Hopeful Stakes and then Scratch, it probably just means the horse(s) just aren\'t set for their best effort. . . . . .

And if you believe that . . . well, I\'ll stop there . . .

[johnnym]

Repole is on the case.

[apindy62]

No doubt in my mind that he is the new Baffert.

[pip4126]

The connections of two horses involved in Saturday’s $500,000 Great White Way Stakes at Aqueduct have filed appeals with the New York State Gaming Commission over decisions made - and not made - by the track stewards.
Has anyone watched the replay of this race from Saturday? It\'s on the DRF web page. I do not know why they took the 12 down, not the 1.

[Roman]

The 12 horse looked like it was keeping a straight course, read that they dq\'ed the 12 because he didn\'t make room for the other horses. So by keeping his position, he did not relieve the \"pressure\" from the other 3 horses trying to go for the same spot. When you think you heard and seen it all!

[Socalman3]

Roman Wrote:
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> The 12 horse looked like it was keeping a straight
> course, read that they dq\'ed the 12 because he
> didn\'t make room for the other horses. So by
> keeping his position, he did not relieve the
> \"pressure\" from the other 3 horses trying to go
> for the same spot. When you think you heard and
> seen it all!


This was truly amazing - a horse being DQ\'ed because he kept a straight path.  If you read the official chart, it describes the DQ\'ed horse as being bumped in the hind-end (passively receiving the bump - which is consistent with being faulted for keeping a straight path). Here is what is really crazy, they are suspending Alvarado for 3 days for the sin of keeping a straight path (they called it careless riding).

I read that it took them 12 minutes to make the disqualification decision.  If the foul was meritorious of a suspension, why did it take 12 minutes to figure that out?  Presumably a flagrant foul does not require a lengthy review to figure out.

[Socalman3]

Socalman3 Wrote:
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> Roman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The 12 horse looked like it was keeping a
> straight
> > course, read that they dq\'ed the 12 because he
> > didn\'t make room for the other horses. So by
> > keeping his position, he did not relieve the
> > \"pressure\" from the other 3 horses trying to go
> > for the same spot. When you think you heard and
> > seen it all!
>
>
> This was truly amazing - a horse being DQ\'ed
> because he kept a straight path.  If you read the
> official chart, it describes the DQ\'ed horse as
> being bumped in the hind-end (passively receiving
> the bump - which is consistent with being faulted
> for keeping a straight path). Here is what is
> really crazy, they are suspending Alvarado for 3
> days for the sin of keeping a straight path (they
> called it careless riding).
>
> I read that it took them 12 minutes to make the
> disqualification decision.  If the foul was
> meritorious of a suspension, why did it take 12
> minutes to figure that out?  Presumably a flagrant
> foul does not require a lengthy review to figure
> out.

BTW, I wonder how often it happens that they suspend a rider for careless riding when no other rider claimed foul against him.  You would think that riders would have a motivation to claim foul against a careless rider who endangered them -- even if the alleged foul caused you to finish last.

[Roman]

The cherry on top is there was an objection by Castellano, that was never relayed to the stewards, how does that happen? Even if it was not relayed by the outrider on the gallop out, can\'t they claim an objection when the unsaddle the horses?

What a mess!

[BitPlayer]

SoCal -

The role of riders in this is interesting.  I have heard Richard Migliore say on the Fox show that riders prefer that the stewards call an inquiry without them having to first make an objection. That way the offended rider is not responsible for what happens to the offender (with whom he shares a locker room).

With respect to this particular incident, I was watching the Fox show, on and off, (on YouTube) when it happened.  Later in the show, when they cut to Migliore, he said he had just been talking to Kendrick Carmouche about the incident.  Migliore noted that the riders in behind have a front-row seat to see what happened, but he did not relay what Carmouche had said. I wonder if the other riders would be willing to be heard in the appeal.

[Roman]

With the rise of cameras in all sizes, why not require a jockey cam on each rider and a drone following the field from above? It wouldn\'t cost that much.

[pip4126]

The New York State Gaming Commission will not hear appeals filed by the connections of two horses involved in the controversial running of last Saturday’s $500,000 Great White Way division of the New York Stallion Series at Aqueduct.

The commission, via letter, informed the representatives of the horses Brick Ambush and The Big Torpedo that the decisions made by the stewards were judgment calls “based on questions of fact, which the stewards are empowered to make . . . and the decision is therefore not appealable to the Commission.”

What a joke and an embarrassment. I cannot continue to support a corrupt organization. Bye Bye NYRA Bets. Hello TVG......

[BitPlayer]

The following was posted by Chuck Simon on Twitter (https://twitter.com/cannonshell/status/1736813867659940147):

\"It’s sadly amusing that people call for the boycott of NYRA when they themselves are more or less held hostage by the NYSGC and its dictatorial manner of regulation.

Remember that those in charge of the NYSGC (none of which are “racing people”) ignored a judges ruling in the ludicrous Clocker case, botched the Linda Rice case so badly it got tossed by a state judge and insisted on supporting an idiotic rule about married jockeys while totally ignoring every other blatant conflict of interest.

NYRA sure ain’t perfect but at least get the villains straight in this story and remember this when the whole “racing can’t regulate itself” argument is used by some nitwit.\"

The clear villain in this piece is the NYSGC Steward, Braulio Baeza, Jr., although I\'m not clear why the other two NYRA stewards, appointed by NYRA and the Jockey Club, don\'t stand up to him.

As for racing regulating itself, I would point out that Baeza is accredited as a steward by the Racing Officials Accreditation Program.  This fiasco is not his first, and his accreditation remains intact.