Biting my tongue…

[TGJB]

…but it ain’t working.

There are only a couple of times a year I even glance at the Jake sheets, but I gave their pre entires a quick glance. Just a couple of things I saw with a 5 minute run through (literally):

Algiersâ€" Jake has his last, at Woodbine, 4 points (about 8 lengths) FASTER than his second in the World Cup. That’s only off by 11-12 points.

Arcangelo-  according to Jake, this horse’s best race by far was his maiden win. They have his Belmont and Travers wins both about 2 points slower, and have him never getting back to his March top. Tailing off, not going forward, as the year has gone on.

[prist]

Re: ARCANGELO

I take it you like the 1/2 point move in the Travers. Thanks. ;-)

[TGJB]

My comments will be in the seminar.

[Roman]

Don’t want to pile on, but I will. Looking at those sheets for five minutes gives me a headache. If they were written in Arabic, they would be easier to read. They have not changed, or added any significant information that a player needs. Only thing that increases is the price.

JB, is it true that the other guys used to promote there product by using a race that a ringer ran in, and they still took credit for the outcome and the extraordinary payout?

[TGJB]

Don’t know.

[Gary Irish]

Roman Wrote:
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> JB, is it true that the other guys used to promote
> there product by using a race that a ringer ran
> in, and they still took credit for the outcome and
> the extraordinary payout?

The short answer is NO. There is a recounting of a ringer named Lebon circa 1977 who ran a buried race on dirt before crushing a field on turf at 57-1 with Sheets players cleaning up.

It later came out the horse was actually Cinzano, a champion 3yo in Uruguay.

They had no knowledge of the chicanery and won as a result of deduction. Pages 279-281 in The Odds.

[TGJB]

Gary, you have no idea how much of that book is bullshit, by both commission and omission.

I was still a young guy in that office in 1977, there were only about 5 or 6 of us using Lens figures, and no copy machineâ€" we all shared the file cards, and sat at the track together. Is it possible Friedman or someone else cashed a small bet on that horse and I didn\'t know about it? Yes. Sheetsplayers cleaned up? That would have been me, and no. And as opposed to you, and Jake, and the other guppies on the Jake Board, I was actually there.

[Gary Irish]

Geez Jerry

I\'ve never been called a guppy before. Should I take offense?

[TGJB]

I was going for something that implied gullibility.

From what I remember, AFTER that horse won, we looked up his sheet, and decided he could have been bet with no inside info. I think Friedman did hit the tri, either using that horse in a box or keying a different one. Not keying him.

If you haven’t already, read Tip On A Dead Crab. You’ll see why.

[Boscar Obarra]

Very few people cashed on Lebon.  57-1 , cmon. Do the math .

  I recall one well know board watcher claiming he had the triple based on the  prior race betting action (which was significant)  and suspicion that there was something going on .  

  Think it was a surface switch too.

[Roman]

So there was a ringer, they hit the race using there \"sheets\", and then say they hit the race because of there info, even though it was not even the same horse and his figure they were relying on to bet the race?

[Socalman3]

Roman Wrote:
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> So there was a ringer, they hit the race using
> there \"sheets\", and then say they hit the race
> because of there info, even though it was not even
> the same horse and his figure they were relying on
> to bet the race?


It was the same horse.  The horse that was the ringer ran in both the first and second races in NY under the wrong name.  

Not making any commentary on what actually happened. Just pointing out that that the switch for the ringer did not happen only in the race in question

[Roman]

Racetrack stories, got to love them.

[Roman]

And how does that story come to Chicago 30 years ago. That is some game of telephone!

[Marlin]

Remember when they used to Turn OFF all pay phones @ the racetrack once the card started.  Yes, young racing fans, prior to cell phones & a think called the internet.