TG and Injuries

[BitPlayer]

TGJB -

You have mentioned that you sometimes work with the Jockey Club folks.  Have you ever talked to them about incorporating TG data in the equine injury database?

I remember that long ago TG published a study showing the regression to be expected from young 3yos running a -1 or better, presumably because of the likely negative effects of an effort that was \"too fast too soon.\" Both Maple Leaf Mel and New York Thunder were lightly raced 3yos coming off very fast big tops.  I\'m not suggesting that either injury was predictable, but it would be nice if the equine injury database helped people to evaluate the risk.

NYRA recently required PET scans from two turf horses because they had run in the same Delaware race as horses who were subsequently injured at the Spa.  If NYRA is going to start demanding PET scans, maybe very fast young horses would be a better place to start.

[pip4126]

Steve Byk had an excellent interview today with Dr. Steven Alday about the breakdowns and possible solutions and scans were mentioned. However, the cost and the time it takes to analyze the data are a deterrent. Dr. Alday was outstanding and Steve was right on point with his questions. If you have a chance listen to it

[Fredd]

Good point BitPlayer !! The Travers day TG data showed that New York Thunder was a vet scratch on June 10, Belmont day. New York Thunder should have been a serious candidate for a PET scan because of the vet scratch and then subsequently, the big top in the Amsterdam.

The entire imaging process takes less than five minutes and, after a short recovery from sedation, the horses are able to walk back to their barns. All collected images are digital and can be viewed instantaneously to allow the attending veterinarian to formulate the best therapeutic plan for the horse.

https://www.kentuckyderby.com/uploads/wysiwyg/assets/uploads/20220913_PET_Scan_Coming_to_Churchill_Downs.pdf

[prist]

HISA shoeing regulations have nothing to do with recent developments? Just asking.

[TGJB]

Read my post on the "this is getting bad" string.

I followed up with the JC Saturday night, we'll see whether anything comes of it.

[jerry]

Question: Horse breeding and "enhanced training techniques" (and I'll leave it at that) have enabled horses to run extremely fast at times. I'm wondering if increased speed increases the stresses on a horses leg? If so, and assuming breeders will continue to breed faster horses all while training techniques continue to maximize performance, isn't the only answer to reducing stress at impact reducing the speed of the track? Adding cushion? Slowing them down?

[TGJB]

See "Are Racehorses Getting Faster" in the Archives section. And that was 20 years ago.

I think the cushion at NYRA is over 5 inches now, not sure.

[jerry]

It's not slowing them down. Not enough anyway.

[Tavasco]

IMHO - On the money - Amanda Luby!

https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/adapt-evolve-or-be-forced-out-of-existence-letter-to-the-editor-amandy-luby-welbourne-stud/

[pip4126]

The article by Amanda Luby is right on target. Is synthetic in our future?

[prist]

I hope not. I\'m with Steven Crist.

[pip4126]

If HISA mandates that all tracks go to a synthetic then we as horse players will witness the slow death of horse racing.

[jerry]

Amen to that. Thanks for the link.

[jerry]

Time out. Why?

[johnnym]

Nothing about the breeding.
Just keep overbreeding babies to babies.