Sunday Spa Late Pick 5

[Socalman3]

Is NYRA insane?

At post time of the first leg of a pick 5 with 3 of the 5 races on turf, NYRA announces that all turf races are switching to dirt. Do you think they announce that they are delaying this post to get scratches or tell people how the turf races in their tickets will be handled?  ZERO.  ZERO.  They just announce that they are announcing for the first time that the last three races are coming off the turf and this race will go off as scheduled.

I was fortunate enough to be able to cancel my pick 5 ticket. I will be apoplectic if they make the turf races ALL win.  They made the announcement before.  I had my ticket in.  Usually, they are not all win in that situation.

This is complete and total chaos. How can they expect people to bet when they change the bet with no warning and no information and no explanation moments before the bet starts.

[shanahan]

Cluster for sure - heck, the announcers on the Fox show were scratching their heads.  Even Andy didn\'t pretend to know, so if he\'s not playing \"I always know more than you\", what the heck is going on in this world?

It\'s been almost 30 mins...still nothing.  My guess?  jocks say a portion did not drain well, and it\'s unclear whether it\'s safe.  But that is easy to take as a bettor, timing not so much.

[Socalman3]

shanahan Wrote:
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> Cluster for sure - heck, the announcers on the Fox
> show were scratching their heads.  Even Andy
> didn\'t pretend to know, so if he\'s not playing \"I
> always know more than you\", what the heck is going
> on in this world?
>
> It\'s been almost 30 mins...still nothing.  My
> guess?  jocks say a portion did not drain well,
> and it\'s unclear whether it\'s safe.  But that is
> easy to take as a bettor, timing not so much.

Now they are announcing they are making the grass races as ALL.  HOW ON EARTH CAN THEY DO THAT!!!  I would have left my bet in if i knew they were doing that. I can the rule be one thing before the bet starts and then something else after the bet starts?  This is INSANITY.  If my cancelled bet hits, they should pay it. They induced me to cancel it with faulty information.

[Molesap]

Safe to say they have not had a stellar weekend. I was lucky and was able to cancel all my tickets. The kept the DD live according to the will pays - so who knows what they are going to do with the multi-race bets.

All races are off turf - presumably for safety after Ever Summer fell - I get that, but announcing it one minute before they are loading the race when they should have figured that out an hour ago is not right. Let me be clear, I am not complaining that they took the last three races off the turf - it makes sense to let them dry out and keep the horses safe if that is indeed their intent. This is true especially since they have a couple of days off. It is the timing that galls me and then loading the gate and running race 6 right away.

[Molesap]

When they canceled the last four on Friday, they completely refunded the P5 even though the first race had been run. So if you had a dead ticket you got a reprieve.

[Fairmount1]

Pick Four, Pick Five, and Grand Slam-races off the turf
When the condition of the turf course(s) warrants a change of racing surface to a non-turf course in any of the Pick Four or Pick Five races, and such change hs not been known to the public before the close of wagering in any of those wagers, the changed leg(s) will be deemed an "all win" for wagering purposes.

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That\'s from NYRA\'s website.  So, rules, heck with the rules.

[Socalman3]

Fairmount1 Wrote:
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> Pick Four, Pick Five, and Grand Slam-races off the
> turf
> When the condition of the turf course(s) warrants
> a change of racing surface to a non-turf course in
> any of the Pick Four or Pick Five races, and such
> change hs not been known to the public before the
> close of wagering in any of those wagers, the
> changed leg(s) will be deemed an "all win" for
> wagering purposes.
>
> _______________________________________
>
> That\'s from NYRA\'s website.  So, rules, heck with
> the rules.

Well, one way to look at it is the rule in the website is correct but incomplete....they left out the part where they will also deem the races all win, if after the first leg is run and made official, they feel, at that point, they didnt give enough time to the public before the race to change their bets.

[Socalman3]

Socalman3 Wrote:
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> Fairmount1 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Pick Four, Pick Five, and Grand Slam-races off
> the
> > turf
> > When the condition of the turf course(s)
> warrants
> > a change of racing surface to a non-turf course
> in
> > any of the Pick Four or Pick Five races, and
> such
> > change hs not been known to the public before
> the
> > close of wagering in any of those wagers, the
> > changed leg(s) will be deemed an "all win"
> for
> > wagering purposes.
> >
> > _______________________________________
> >
> > That\'s from NYRA\'s website.  So, rules, heck
> with
> > the rules.
>
> Well, one way to look at it is the rule in the
> website is correct but incomplete....they left out
> the part where they will also deem the races all
> win, if after the first leg is run and made
> official, they feel, at that point, they didnt
> give enough time to the public before the race to
> change their bets.

BTW, if they had said that even though they were notifying the public before the wagering closed about the surface switch, BUT because it was so close in time to the wagering closing that they will make the turf races ALL WIN, then it would have been okay.  At least you would have known the rules of the bet you were making before you made the bet.  Here, however, they changed the rules of the bet after the first leg was run and made official.  I don\'t understand how that can be done. But, I dont have to understand.  All I can do is what I can do. I am closing my NYRABets account.  I can lose my money through other websites. I dont need to both take abuse from NYRA and also give NYRA my business.

[Fairmount1]

I think the rule is CLEAR.  There was approx 1 minute and 36 seconds before the race ran when they announced the surface change .  Applying the rule to the facts, the change was KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC before the close of wagering on the p5. So the rule does not even apply for them to issue an ALL to my mind.  It should be a REFUND or let it play out with the changes with the tickets as they were wagered.  Now is the latter option fair?  Well, maybe not, but does that give them the right to issue an ALL?    

This is NYRA garbage again.  Hopefully TGJB doesn\'t delete this one like a post last weekend that involved NYRA decisions.  

This should have been a REFUND.  That was the absolute correct decision once they ran the race so quick after the announcement.  This is madness and nonsense.  

NYRA decided to NOT follow the rule which would be to leave the tickets wagered as they were, decided to apply an ALL rule that doesn\'t fit the situation, and put their 15% in their coffers and made some gamblers feel warm and fuzzy inside I guess.

To be clear, I had zero dollars at stake here.  As an old, cranky poster used to once say about NYRA:  clueless clowns.  This was another example in many of late by NYRA.

The best decision would have been to circle the horses for 10 minutes, announce to bettors to change their tickets if they desired or to cancel them.  But they rushed them in the gate and ran and why?  To keep the tv schedule?  IDK....but clueless idiots.

[pip4126]

Is NYRA the most corrupt organization in horse racing?

[Fairmount1]

No, I think that\'s the breeding folks and what happens at the sales.

[pip4126]

Really? Can you explain your thought?

[Socalman3]

pip4126 Wrote:
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> Is NYRA the most corrupt organization in horse
> racing?


The corruption isn\'t the issue.  The issue is they show no understanding whatsoever of who their customers are and what their customers want.  They don\'t even realize that it would upset bettors to change the rule of a bet after the bet has started.  This would be like a kosher person selling pork.  If the customer says the pork tastes bad - here take a taste and see, then what is the kosher pork seller going to do?  NYRA is like that.  From what I can see, they are a bunch of non-gambler morons laughing all the way to the bank that their customers actually gamble and they cannot understand it when they screw up their own product.

[pip4126]

Well stated!

[Fairmount1]

P5 payout of $25.00 for $.50 for each winning combo.  

At least NYRA preserved as much of their 15% takeout before people could cancel as they could with how they handled it.