FOY day

[johnnym]

Card is being pulled today I believe.
Will sheets be out early as well?

Roll Call who will be in town?
Try and have a beer if possible.
Regards
John

[shanahan]

we arrive Wed night.  See you there!

[richiebee]

Don\'t forget 8 race NYRA Friday card with HUGEMONGOUS 52K P6 carryover!!!!

Post time 1:20 PM

Remember \"a beer\" only leads to \"more beer\"

Richiebee
Lifetime Achievement Award Nominee Emeritus

[TGJB]

I thought I gave you that award 15 years ago. You want another one?

[richiebee]

JB

I will stand pat with the one Lifetime Achievement Award, I do not know if I
can handle added responsibility.

Speaking about honors, and more seriously, a friend and I were discussing
whether Kiaran McLaughlin should be inducted into the Thoroughbred HOF. I think
this is a no brainer even without considering his accomplishments as Chris
Antley\'s agent and as a pioneer, one of the first US trainers to operate in the
Middle East.

Another Hall of Fame trainer, D. Wayne Lukas continues to turn back the hands
of time. Just curious as to what this HOF\'s lifetime win percentage is? Of
course he is HOF because of Triple Crown wins, Eclipse wins, BC wins, but when
he hangs the bridle up for good what are we talking about?  A 12% trainer? Is
DWL the equivalent of a baseball HOFer who was inducted strictly on power
numbers?

Trivia question: Who is (non pitcher/non manager) Hall of Fame member with
lowest lifetime batting average?

[jbelfior]

Going to guess Harmon Killebrew.
 
Lot of power, not much for average.


Good Luck,
Joe B

[richiebee]

Killebrew 256. There is a catcher named Ray Schalk who played early in 20th
Century, considered best defensive catcher of period, 253.

NY Fave Nick Zito, inducted to HOF in 2005, probably trending along the
Lukas/Killebrew metric.

[BB]

Dang! I was gonna guess Pudge Fisk.

As to DWL, Equibase has him at 16% for his career, but in the last ten full years he has cracked 10% only once. Kinda like Mickey Mantle\'s last few crippled years dragging his lifetime BA under .300.

[richiebee]

Wow I gotta print retraction/apology. Shame on me beating up on a fellow senior
citizen like that. I would have never guessed DWL L/T win percentage could be more
than 12% after as you point out a lot of sparse years. Thanks BB.

[TGJB]

Aaron, Piazza and many others had poor years late that pulled down their stats. Aaron ended up below .300.

Pedro didn't have 100 losses til... his last one, I think. By then he was pitching on brains alone.

[Strike]

I forgot how good Piazza was. Dodgers fan here. 12 times All Star. 10 seasons with 300+ average. Finished career with 308 batting average. Not bad for a catcher.

[Sandreadis]

DWL=Nolan Ryan .526 W/L %

[BB]

TGJB Wrote:
 
Pedro didn't have 100 losses til... his last one, I think. By then he was pitching on brains alone.

***

Bingo. Looked him up, 219/100.

To me the thing that really stands out in his stats is that for four out of five years (\'99-\'03) he led the MAJORS in ERA, while pitching half his games in that lyric little bandbox of a ballpark in Boston. And in the year he \"missed\", he wasn\'t eligible because his 18 starts didn\'t get him enough innings, but his ERA would have been good enough for five-out-of-five.

The thing I really miss about \"old\" baseball is the chance to see a guy like Pedro baffle big leaguers over 9 innings with skill, smarts, grace and moxie.

[jp702006]

Lifelong Yankee fan here so I'm not a fan of Pedro. Can't get past him throwing Zimmer to the ground in Boston. I would have liked to see him try that with the murderers row of physical specimens that's in our current lineup.

[P-Dub]

This is laughable.

Zimmer comes at Pedro, he tosses him aside after Zimmer lunges at him.

And if any of the \"murderer\'s row\" of \"physical specimens\" tried to come after Martinez they wouldn\'t have gotten very far.

What exactly should Martinez have done instead??