Stiff Job

[jerry]

Watch the stiff job on Zorb in race 8 at Laurel today. Beautiful game.

[P-Dub]

Yeah, pretty blatant.

Every time that horse tried to run jock tightened the reins.

I see that was the first time with the trainer.

[toppled]

I don\'t see it as a stiff job as much as an incompetent 7 pound bug girl who tried to rate a horse who has a history of showing speed and exiting in the stretch.  So the horse goes right to the front, the jockey tries to slow him down, he resents it, then she has a tough time controlling him as they race around the turn & then in the stretch another horse comes over him as he\'s tiring and spooks either the horse or the rider who is afraid of hitting the rail.  

Keep in mind this is a horse who hasn\'t been out since 6/30 and is now in the barn of a trainer who usually doesn\'t have them ready off layoffs.  It\'s reasonable that this speed horse wasn\'t ready to run the entire distance of the race & was out there for conditioning. Trainer intent not to win, but hardly a stiff job.  Now add to the fact that the horses who battled early for the lead ALL faded to the back of the pack in this race. Calling it a stiff job seems IMO to be unjustified.

[Boscar Obarra]

Something wrong with the horse, no one stiffs like that.  I don\'t think she was rating at all, there was some discomfort with the horse.

watch the head on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50zPbt6Ne2A

You\'ll go broke quick betting horses like that back, thinking they were \'pulled\'

[jerry]

Ok. I accept all of that. However, their should be a symbol in the program like TINTW, (trainer intent not to win) just to give bettors a heads up don’t you think? I mean it is a rule isn’t it that trainer and jockey will make a best effort to win a race? I already know it that it is and I’m just being a smart ass but doesn’t it kind of explain the degree of cynicism amongst most seasoned horse players? I went to a jai alai match. Once.

[Strike]

Don\'t bet Parx. Don\'t bet Laurel. So many good races coming up this weekend at Belmont, Churchill and Woodbine. My suggestion.

[jerry]

You know what? I just watched that race again, thank you for the link by the way it’s a good one, and I take it all back. That girl just can’t ride. There’s a point along the backstretch where the horse makes the lead and then maybe takes a bad step and she grabs him up. I don’t think there was anything wrong with the horse. She just panicked. Next time. $$$$

[jerry]

I know I’m know but I’m retired. It’s too easy.

[jerry]

Actually, all smart assing aside, just kidding by the way, the girl kind of hustles the horse forward after the horse breaks pretty well, looks like she wants the lead with him, gets it, then settles the horse into a nice stride and the horse seems to stumble a little bit. I think she thought he’d gone wrong. Maybe he did. Maybe she heard something pop but that’s a dead game 3 legged horse if I ever saw one.

[jerry]

Ok, final thoughts and observations. The horse was trying to bear out on the turn and for most the rest of the race. Needs to be gelded again.

[toppled]

All you have to do is look at the trainer stats.  BRIS PPs lists the trainer as 0/19 off this type of layoff.  That shows us the trainer is more interested in giving the horse a race off a layoff than winning off the layoff.  Now there are always exceptions, but it\'s best to avoid a horse that is in a category that the trainer has a low win % in.  You have to get sufficient odds to buck a trend and 8/1 wasn\'t enough in this race.

[jerry]

All points well taken except this horse seemed to want to do more than either his trainer or jockey wanted to do. Also, the 8-1 was after they popped the gate. He was something like 14-1 before that and that wasn’t my money. Tab for next time.

[hellersorr]

jerry Wrote:
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>  Needs to be gelded again.

o:)