How to Bet

prist · May 16, 2021, 10:41:29 AM

I just borrowed one word from your post that corresponds with what I\'m making a comment on. That\'s all.

Trip, bias and pace are mentioned by Jerry in his seminars all the time. And that is fine. I\'m just making a comment on what I want to get out of it.

prist · May 16, 2021, 11:37:39 AM

I\'m definitely what they would call a \"purist.\" I focus on the numbers on the sheet.

News on Mr. Ragozin today has me reflecting on my early years playing around with sheet methodology.

Would you say the two Lens are sheet purists, Jerry? How could they not be after listening to those old seminar tapes. They pretty much disregarded everything on the sheet but the number.

Jerry, you\'ve been around sheet players a long time, in your opinion, are there more sheet purists today, or back in the day?

bluechip21 · May 16, 2021, 11:41:27 AM

Do you want them to place the bets for you as well?

bluechip21 · May 16, 2021, 11:46:59 AM

Not JB, but I can take a stab at answering your question.

Rombauer was fast(ish) at 2. Ran back to the number first out at 3YO, then made modest improvement at Keeneland. Another move forward was not out of the question.

Unbridled Honor wasnt quick at 2YO, came back as a 3YO and took two starts to pair the 2YO top, then moved forward 5 points next out at Keeneland. Another move forward off that effort was unlikely. Further, the improvement came over a sloppy track, which can at times often produce wonky figures (generally speaking, not specifically this product).

prist · May 16, 2021, 11:50:18 AM

Oh, I appreciate it. Thank you. Good stuff.

makrmark · May 16, 2021, 12:50:28 PM

wow blue, you are also missing the point. I will take it as you havent read the string...for the last time, the point is there was a horse mentioned by tgjb, whose pattern reminded him of their great call on CC.

It was prior to the race and NOT mentioned in the analysis. Maybe you are not aware of it but you do not get sheets with the analysis. I get that TGJB didnt think the horse would win however I paid for the TG analysis of the race. And some angle as strong as CC you would think would get mentioned. And then to see how they cashed is bad form in my opinion. They gave crazy opinions on prices all weekend so why just give the 2 chalks in preakness. Maybe I am the only one who bought the analysis and has a problem with it. So be it. If it was not brought up on the board prior to the race I would have no issue. Its over with. I just hope going forward they are sensitive to the issues I brought up.

TGJB · May 16, 2021, 01:00:44 PM

What he said.

TGJB · May 16, 2021, 01:02:20 PM

Far fewer sheet purists and I\'m not commenting beyond that, this isin\'t the time.

hellersorr · May 16, 2021, 02:45:01 PM

FWIW, your complaint sure seems valid to me.

P-Dub · May 16, 2021, 02:48:08 PM

makrmark Wrote:
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> wow blue, you are also missing the point. I will
> take it as you havent read the string...for the
> last time, the point is there was a horse
> mentioned by tgjb, whose pattern reminded him of
> their great call on CC.
>
>
>
> It was prior to the race and NOT mentioned in the
> analysis. Maybe you are not aware of it but you do
> not get sheets with the analysis. I get that TGJB
> didnt think the horse would win however I paid for
> the TG analysis of the race. And some angle as
> strong as CC you would think would get mentioned.
> And then to see how they cashed is bad form in my
> opinion. They gave crazy opinions on prices all
> weekend so why just give the 2 chalks in
> preakness. Maybe I am the only one who bought the
> analysis and has a problem with it. So be it. If
> it was not brought up on the board prior to the
> race I would have no issue. Its over with. I just
> hope going forward they are sensitive to the
> issues I brought up.

If the horse was brought up on the board as looking similar to CC, and you saw it, why didn\'t you just add it yourself??

makrmark · May 16, 2021, 03:06:32 PM

I didnt know it was Rombauer...horse was never mentioned by name...a few others posted who they thought it was. One was right the other wasnt.

P-Dub · May 16, 2021, 03:45:48 PM

makrmark Wrote:
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> I didnt know it was Rombauer...horse was never
> mentioned by name...a few others posted who they
> thought it was. One was right the other wasnt.

True.

One was a Maker, the other a Diodoro.

Marlin · May 16, 2021, 07:15:04 PM

Unbridled Honor jumped over 11 points from his 2 year old top to his last race. That is why the difference between the two. Jerry covers that in the Derby seminars yearly, that is too much.

johnnym · May 16, 2021, 07:43:48 PM

Just curious what were your thoughts on C.T?

TGJB · May 16, 2021, 09:08:36 PM

Wasnâ€™t fast enough, especially at a relatively short price, not a great pattern (should have moved forward last time). Especially for Baffert, his TC horses tend to get to good figures before the TC. Also Smith from an outside post and he wasnâ€™t going to do anything to interfere with Medina, which meant a wide trip.