All sorts of nuggets in this indictment

[Caradoc]

Paragraph 25k of Count I of the indictment recites a telephone conversation on May 29, 2019 between Navarro and unidentified \"operators\" of a horse-racing stable in California, regarding the performance of a horse named Nanoosh. (These guys apparently never learned to stay off the phones and to not put anything in writing .. . brilliant!) One of the operators asks whether the horse was \"getting all the shit ... is this horse jacked out?\" The owners of the horse at that moment were Rockingham Ranch, Zayat Stables, LLC and David Bernsen, LLC.  Ahmad Zayat needs no introduction.  The other two mentioned were the owners of Stormy Liberal, hero of the 2018 BC turf sprint, running a 7+ (not a typo) point new top that day and earning a negative 5 1/4 in the process. Hay, oats and water, my friends, I\'m sure. There are plenty of nervous trainers, owners and vets lawyering up today.

[Silver Charm]

I had World of Trouble that day he was beaten by Stormy Liberal. Servis trained WoT. He was out juiced I guess

[trackjohn]

Couldn\'t agree more...

[Strike]

They also won with Roy H the same day. Identical connections.

[JR]

Nuggets? You call those nuggets? This indictment implicates the trainer of last years derby winner as well as the perennial leading trainer in south Florida and these are nuggets? This is the whole shebang. This tanks this industry. This gives legitimacy to PeTA and all of their claims about animal cruelty. Enjoy it while it lasts. This game is doomed.

[Strike]

JR Wrote:
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> Nuggets? You call those nuggets? This indictment
> implicates the trainer of last years derby winner
> as well as the perennial leading trainer in south
> Florida and these are nuggets? This is the whole
> shebang. This tanks this industry. This gives
> legitimacy to PeTA and all of their claims about
> animal cruelty. Enjoy it while it lasts. This game
> is doomed.

You tagged me -- I did not call it \"nuggets.\"
You are overreacting anyway like the stock market is now. Horse racing is getting cleaned up. Unfortunately, not by the racing \"leaders\" who frankly suck but by the Federal Government. The sport will be in a much better place now. These criminal trainers and especially the vets are going to jail. Probably a lot more will join them -- especially in CA. The game will improve -- fewer horse break downs, purer betting, improved results for the owners, etc. Short term a lot of screaming but overall a better and cleaner sport for us to enjoy. I have been robbed for decades by these guys as an owner... and, bettor. About time to get rid of them. A shame the FBI has to do it instead of the loser race track operators. Embarrassing for all of them. At least it should be. We need a national Commissioner like every other sport has.

[JR]

Whoa. Did you say horse racing is getting cleaned up? LMFAO. By the Federal government? Absolutely side splitting.

[JR]

Maybe I’m too cynical. I don’t know why?

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JR Wrote:
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> Whoa. Did you say horse racing is getting cleaned
> up? LMFAO. By the Federal government? Absolutely
> side splitting.

OK -- cheaters in the past have been given 15 days, a $250 fine and an opportunity to appeal taking years. FBI doesn\'t play that way. They arrest you and put you in jail and charge you with a felony and that is exactly what they did.
(I am not even sure what the hell \"side splitting\" means but please don\'t do that to yourself).

[moosepalm]

JR Wrote:
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> Nuggets? You call those nuggets? This indictment
> implicates the trainer of last years derby winner
> as well as the perennial leading trainer in south
> Florida and these are nuggets? This is the whole
> shebang. This tanks this industry. This gives
> legitimacy to PeTA and all of their claims about
> animal cruelty. Enjoy it while it lasts. This game
> is doomed.

I\'m not going to defend anything, predict anything, or assume anything about any of this on the day it happens, but only on a slow news day does this get much traction and only because of the connection to deaths of animals.  However, this doesn\'t strike me as a slow news day.  It would take a mass shooting to get near the top of the page or news website.  As far as the sport being dirty, most people outside the sport either already thought that or don\'t care.

[Boscar Obarra]

The only thing more overdue than the FBI getting involved, is Bernie retiring to a life of shuffleboard.

[P-Dub]

JR Wrote:
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> Nuggets? You call those nuggets? This indictment
> implicates the trainer of last years derby winner
> as well as the perennial leading trainer in south
> Florida and these are nuggets? This is the whole
> shebang. This tanks this industry. This gives
> legitimacy to PeTA and all of their claims about
> animal cruelty. Enjoy it while it lasts. This game
> is doomed.


I’m the last person to tell someone to calm down, so I won’t.

Nuggets is just a figure of speech, and it’s far from the “whole shebang”.

If a guy like Baffert gets implicated, or another high profile trainer, then you have more shebang.

This is a guy who trained for Zayat, and oh BTW had seven horses drop dead.

Servis and Navarro are known cheats who don’t resonate with the average fan.  They’re just finally getting busted.

If names like Baffert, Brown, Pletcher...... HOF guys get implicated.....then you have a lot of shebang.

[trackjohn]

Guys...once the \'equine pharmaceutical manufacturers\' start flipping that\'s when everything hits the fan...you don\'t think that the FBI is stopping with this do you? Also...in re-reading the indictment I would be shocked if there isn\'t other \'investigations\' that are on going...

[jma11473]

As far as racing getting cleaned up, who knows, but this is an actual step in the RIGHT direction. For once, something is happening. Maybe it goes nowhere but this could be big.

Racing\'s image with the public couldn\'t be much lower than it is now. This won\'t help any, but it\'s also a blip on the radar in the current disaster that is the world. Most people don\'t care about horse racing and will continue not to care.

[Caradoc]

As pointed out below, it was a figure of speech, meant to identify OTHER newsworthy and/or interesting tidbits, such as the one I recited.  If it would restore the equilibrium, happy to relabel the string \"All sorts of other nuggets in this indictment.\"