All sorts of nuggets in this indictment

[TGJB]

First of all, at the very least it would give you info about what\'s going on. But second, the way I think it works (and definitely the way it SHOULD work) is that you can only use allowed substances, everything else is out of bounds. Not the other way around. If that were the case, every newly discovered drug would be allowable.

[Boscar Obarra]

I get what you\'re saying, but Derby winner, and winners of multiple Grade 1\'s internationally.

 Big enough for me.

 Biggest ever ?

[trackjohn]

I don\'t disagree...but, two things
- due to the coronavirus coverage this story is getting only minimal main stream press coverage

-BUT...IF other popular, well known trainers are \'outed\' then the press coverage will increase exponential in scope, particularly if it happens in April/early May right at the time of the only horserace that 85% of the American population know or care about... comments?

John

[trackjohn]

Unbelievable about NYRA...but not shocking... hopefully your email did make a difference... FBI investigations don\'t just happen... someone \'offered\' some initial information to get this one started...I make it odds-on that there are more investigating going on... comments?

John

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Boscar Obarra Wrote:
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> I get what you\'re saying, but Derby winner, and
> winners of multiple Grade 1\'s internationally.
>
>  Big enough for me.
>
>  Biggest ever ?

Its big enough for me also.

But I\'m talking about the nuclear results this can potentially become if the really big names are implicated.

[Boscar Obarra]

Yeah. They seem a bit smarter than these two buffoons

[Roman]

One wonders if the FBI used TG data to identify large jumps in figs to identify subjects, also Brad Cox says he is not taking any Rockingham horses that were trained by Navarro, lots of things bout to go down, one vet in the indictment said he injected 6 horses for another barn, the incriminating statements about Nanoosh should be enough to revoke all there licenses, bet your bottom dollar , ain’t nobody that is involved and not yet indicted probably are not getting any sleep, FBI loves to do what they call tickling the wire, rattling some peoples cages and hope they get on a phone and incriminate themselves, wonder how many were tickled yesterday

[hellersorr]

James Joyce fan?

[BB]

hellersorr Wrote:
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> James Joyce fan?

Everybody\'s a critic!


Illegitimi non carborundum, Roman! I like a guy with a fancy prose style. You keep doing you.

[JR]

JB, the big money is always on the side of the guys with the edge. The authorities come second. Yes, eventually the cheaters will get caught. They may be banned for life.  But the crowd looking for the edge, no matter how fleeting, will always be there. That’s why people still have locks on their doors.

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Roman Wrote:
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> One wonders if the FBI used TG data to identify
> large jumps in figs to identify subjects, also
> Brad Cox says he is not taking any Rockingham
> horses that were trained by Navarro, lots of
> things bout to go down, one vet in the indictment
> said he injected 6 horses for another barn, the
> incriminating statements about Nanoosh should be
> enough to revoke all there licenses, bet your
> bottom dollar , ain’t nobody that is involved
> and not yet indicted probably are not getting any
> sleep, FBI loves to do what they call tickling the
> wire, rattling some peoples cages and hope they
> get on a phone and incriminate themselves, wonder
> how many were tickled yesterday

Did they get a daily cap on purchases or did they just pay a lump sum

[JR]

“Servis and Navarro are known cheats” and have been operating successful training operations for years even though most of us knew there was something fishy about their success rate.

How can I play a race with any confidence knowing there is the probability that some pertinent information regarding drug usage is unknown to me? Only with play money. This is a gambling venue where it’s best to check your wallet at the door.

[JR]

I’m more than skeptical that we are in the cusp of a thoroughbred racing renaissance.

[JR]

Why the f do I care about how much coverage this gets? Horse racing in its totality is a blip on the screen for the general public.

For us, we want a clean sport. One where horses run true to form. Not one where magical trainers with magic potions turn rinky dink claimers into graded stakes winners. This shit’s gotten so far out of hand that the winningest trainers are most likely running the most crooked barns. How many people on this board believe Bob Baffert runs a clean operation? No implication Bob. Just a question. What did happen with all of those juvenile cardiacs? Freaky, wasn’t it?

[JR]

Cardoc, no foul on your part. It’s just semantics. But I feel, as I imagine you do too, that the most pertinent information regarding a horses ability is undisclosed. Is he turbocharged today or not?