The DQ

[boardedup]

IDK man, how many infractions are ignored in every derby every year?  In my personal opinion this could be disatorous.  Now the precedent has been set and I can see a very likely scenario where it turns into something like modern day NFL, where after every incomplete pass play everyone looks around and waits to see if a flag’s been thrown.  The “most exciting two minutes in sports” turns into the worst gut churning 22 minutes waiting out objections.  Because there’s a plethora of infractions, many borderline some not so much in every single KY Derby.  Do we excuse what happens going into the first turn and only worry about things that happen late?  What are coaches biggest complaint’s with officials- inconsistency. So then let’s limit the number of starters, but then you lose a good deal of the betting opportunity and a big part of what makes the KY Derby the KY Derby and brings so many people into the pools.  

Like the officiating in the playoffs of NBA/NFL at the highest level, in the biggest spots the objective is to let the athlete decide the outcome, I see this as the same, the #7 was best, and the #20 had no business objecting.  That’s my opinion.  And I will say the overwhelming attitude/vibe opinion of people at the book was that of bitterness and disbelief, for whatever that’s worth.  I think it’s a bad look and a potentially dangerous precedent.  But I do understand the point of “a foul is a foul is a foul” however I tend to live in the grey and not see things in that black and white context.  For many this result will be the ultimate in unsatisfying.  If you unloaded on the 20 @ 65/1 you’re absolutely loving life, to each his own.

[dcost328]

watch the beginning of the race again. Flavien comes in from the 20 hole and impedes a horse far more than he was \"compromised\" by MS.

he threw a hail mary and it got caught.

the foul is a foul argument is stupid because these are STEWARDS and they take many different things into consideration.

if you want to start living by the foul is a foul standard you could probably DQ a horse in a whole lot more races than is the current rate.

how many times does a foul is a foul happen out of the gate or in the 1st turn with no objection?

Any of these stewards working during the Life At Ten debacle ?

If WOW claimed foul, this wouldn\'t be nearly of a joke as it is now.

There was no stewards inquiry. They have replays, there is no way if something major happened they aren\'t putting the inquiry sign up, period. And they didn\'t.

If a jockey claims foul you should be looking at his claim only, not oh hey maybe the horse impacted another jockey who DIDNT EVEN CLAIM FOUL. otherwise why don\'t you go back and dissect every single aspect of the race and start making other changes too?

can you imagine the backlash the NFL would get if someone challenged a catch but called a holding penalty on the lineman while they watched the review of the pass being made?

[sekrah]

Wasn\'t mentioned during the broadcast but the 18 objected too

[sekrah]

18 was stopped cold by this incident. He objected. Does he have rights or just WoW?



dcost328 Wrote:
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> watch the beginning of the race again. Flavien
> comes in from the 20 hole and impedes a horse far
> more than he was \"compromised\" by MS.
>
> he threw a hail mary and it got caught.
>
> the foul is a foul argument is stupid because
> these are STEWARDS and they take many different
> things into consideration.
>
> if you want to start living by the foul is a foul
> standard you could probably DQ a horse in a whole
> lot more races than is the current rate.
>
> how many times does a foul is a foul happen out of
> the gate or in the 1st turn with no objection?
>
> Any of these stewards working during the Life At
> Ten debacle ?
>
> If WOW claimed foul, this wouldn\'t be nearly of a
> joke as it is now.
>
> There was no stewards inquiry. They have replays,
> there is no way if something major happened they
> aren\'t putting the inquiry sign up, period. And
> they didn\'t.
>
> If a jockey claims foul you should be looking at
> his claim only, not oh hey maybe the horse
> impacted another jockey who DIDNT EVEN CLAIM FOUL.
> otherwise why don\'t you go back and dissect every
> single aspect of the race and start making other
> changes too?
>
> can you imagine the backlash the NFL would get if
> someone challenged a catch but called a holding
> penalty on the lineman while they watched the
> review of the pass being made?

[philywheel]

I think we all agree: A foul is a foul
I think we all agree: we have all seen worse(not taking down)
I think we all agree: MS was the gonna win anyway
I think we all agree: It wasn\'t flagrant
I think we all agree: if it was Baffert it would have not come down
I think we all agree: it didn\'t cost anyone a different finish
Never should a came down,bad call, Its the KENTUCKY DERBY
PHILYWHEEL

[sekrah]

No I absolutely do not agree with all of that. You don\'t know who would have won if that didn\'t happen and absolutely placings were 100% affected

[johnnym]

After drinking a few and sleeping on it my thoughts
My key horse was the 7
The 1 was an A horse
That being said and being honest with myself no doubt the 7 came out
However I feel the only horse that really had an objection was the 1.
 Tyler was loaded and road a great race.
If the 7 holds his line the 1&7 are going at it down the stretch.

This one stung a bit

Still feel if the trainer isn’t Servis he stays up.
Only 364 more days

[FrankD.]

No one has mentioned that Casse/Barber could have claimed or told Tyler to claim foul?

WOW has a Gr 1 grass placing in his 2nd start. He won Grade 2&3 Derby Preps on dirt. He is a War Front who most feel have distance limitations.

Don’t you think if either trainer or owner thought they had a realistic shot at a In the money finish in the Derby@ 10f they would have been all over it?

Anyone have a clue what that would do to breeding/syndication $$$?

[Silver Charm]

Mott phoned an inquiry in against a friend of mine a Stakes at GP. No Stewards. No Jocks. He was at Payson and called it in. They took the horse down from 2nd. It was the right call.

[Silver Charm]

As a matter of fact the PA announcer called it a Trainers Objection. And he wasnt even at the Track. It cost a lot of us money but it was the right decision. The issue is why was everyone else asleep. Like here. Stewards should been on this

[JR]

Read the race chart

[JR]

I don’t agree

[JR]

The last thing the stewards want to do in the Kentucky Derby is initiate an inquiry. The second to last thing they want to do is take the winner down.

[sekrah]

Show me a race where a horse blew the turn by 3 paths and stopped three horses cold on the first turn but wasnt disqualified from a placing

There\'s always jostlingly and bumping, that\'s not what happened.  Suddenly and sharply moving 2-3 paths and stopping competitors in their tracks is a foul.


john9969 Wrote:
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> Why don\'t we look at the first turn with as much
> focus?

[TreadHead]

Making physical contact while veering out is flagrant, that\'s absolute non-sense to argue otherwise.  You won\'t find a majority of people who agree with your statement there.

1 and 18 were not going to win the race, that much is true, but stating they weren\'t cost better placings by the incident as a fact is just downright laughable.