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[jp702006]

Were you and Sek married in a previous life? Maybe the two of you could get a room at the Spa and try and work things out.......😝

[hellersorr]

It\'s theoretically possible I understand why James Covello said \"no mas.\"

[bellsbendboy]

No dog in the hunt Jimbo, with your SEK  back and forth prattle, yet your genuflection to Beyer is a bit over the top.  While Andy is the best known figure maker he is certainly not one of the \"creators\", nor one of the best, though I respect his contributions to handicapping.

Speed figures, emanated some two centuries ago in England.  Punters, as they do now, adjusted their odds, often reflecting the time of race, at the expense of the company kept, distance, configuration etc.

During the great depression Donaldson published his epic piece on racetrack profit using speed figures.  Good luck on finding a copy now, yet it created a sense of hope for horse players and led to entrepreneurs beginning their own \"for sale\" products.

Encouraging SEK, to question/change/improve Andy\'s numbers is not a bad idea, since perhaps the blind eye towards weight, ground loss and most importantly inner race dynamics being largely ignored, should concern competent cappers.

bbb

[TGJB]

I keep waiting for \"brave steed\".

Were you Heywood Hale Broun in a previous life?

[johnnym]

Know thats funny

[johnnym]

Agree; God only knows the amount of knowledge that read these boards but do not contribute because of this type of bantering.
I know I miss J.C

Personally I only care about becoming a better handicapper and cashing tickets.
Just so happened I also have met some good guys here as well.

Think maybe we can put it to rest.
Rumor has it the Belmont Card may be pretty decent.
Good Luck
John

[sekrah]

jimbo66 Wrote:
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> Sek,
>
> You are full of misinformation and circular
> references all triple crown season.  You have
> talked out of both sides of your mouth for both
> the Derby and the Preakness.

The only one spinning in circles is you.


>
> Could care less who you allegedly landed on.  
>

Then why do you insist on talking about it?


> The people here who read your 35 posts about AD
> before the Derby know what you said.  The 9 wasn\'t
> a 9, it was really a 4 on your numbers, neither
> was the other 9, so he had a perfect pattern, was
> the best horse, might be a freak, etc.etc.
>
> But only had a 10% chance to win.
>

Never said he had a perfect pattern, I said it was stronger than it looked at face value, and I actually ended up giving him a ~15% chance to win, which in a 20-horse field, made him one of the most likely winners, but at 9/2, not a play. Any more history revision up your sleeve?

You must have made 50 posts in the 3 weeks before the Derby lecturing all of us why AD doesn\'t have a chance.  They are all out there for anyone to view.

https://www.thorograph.com/phorum/read.php?1,106856,106992#msg-106992

Here\'s one where I calmly disagreed with you after you insulted me.  I couldn\'t care less if you insulted me.  I\'m not going to let you LIE about me.


> But you loved CC in the Preakness.  Off his
> pattern.  Despite questioning the figure that
> Irish War Cry got in the Wood, which by the way,
> if wrong, would change the figure for CC and make
> his \"pattern\" look different.

LMAO at this one... I did not question Irish War Cry\'s figure in the Wood AT ALL.  More lies from The Jimbo.  I questioned his durability to run that figure again on 4-weeks rest after not showing up the last time after he ran that type of figure.  I didn\'t care for IWC in the Derby for that reason and said as much. Your short-term memory is a nightmare, you should see a doctor for that.


History lesson:
https://www.thorograph.com/phorum/read.php?1,107425,107457#msg-107457
https://www.thorograph.com/phorum/read.php?1,107425,107483#msg-107483



>
> And of course, your wonderful post that Beyer, who
> is one of the creators of speed figures, doesn\'t
> understand why AD ran poorly.  Yes, he is
> clueless.  Perhaps you could teach him about your
> arbitrary changes to figures - he could perhaps
> incorporate it into his figures.  Or offer \"Sekrah
> figures\" as an alternative to \"beyer figures\".
> Yes, HE is the clueless one.  Brilliant.

Beyer is clueless.  His \"Throw the favorite of the superfecta\" is not a new trick.  He does it all the time and he finally got one.... by accident!  You can go back to his Breeders Cup analysis where he did the same with Songbird and Tepin. The magic trick didn\'t work so well.  I don\'t think he had a winner that day either! I remember him knocking New Money Honey because her 2nd race (on yielding turf) was better than her debut on firm, and suggested she might not like firm turf.  Absolute genius Andrew Beyer!! Where do I buy your next book?!?!  The man is a handicapping imbecile and it\'s actually hysterical that a TG sheets user would be in awe of him.


> Things must be rough in your life if redboarding
> and criticizing Beyer, an icon in this game, are
> what you do for satisfaction.  Hopefully life
> becomes more fulfilling for you in the future.....


LOL at the red-boarding comment. Sounds like you had a rough weekend, it\'ll get better don\'t worry.  Take a little break and get refreshed. You\'ll be back and probably crush the Belmont card.

[Al Caught Up]

in my next life, I want my handle to be \'competent capper\'

[hellersorr]

I think bellsbendboy is due a tad more respect.  It\'s not well known around here (because he tends to keep his light under a bushel) but bbb is the ONLY three-time winner of the now sadly defunct \"Bad Hemingway\" contest.

https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-15-611861-3

[richiebee]

Note that the book noted in the link featured an introduction by the late George
Plimpton, who penned two of this poster\'s favorite sports books: \"Paper Lion\", an
account of his time as a backup QB for the mid 60s Detroit Lions, and Open Net,
covering the time he spent as a back up goaltender with the Boston Bruins.
Unfortunately, Mr. Plimpton was too lanky to ride racehorses, or he might have done
a wonderful take on horse racing.

\"Light under a bushel\", I think I read that somewhere recently....

[Mathcapper]

richiebee Wrote:
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> Plimpton, who penned two of this poster\'s favorite
> sports books: \"Paper Lion\", an
> account of his time as a backup QB for the mid 60s
> Detroit Lions, and Open Net,
> covering the time he spent as a back up goaltender
> with the Boston Bruins.

Thx Richie - I\'ll have to check out the latter one. I understand he was guided at the time by Bruin Hall-of-Famer Gerry Cheevers, a big fellow racing fan and longtime spa regular.

Said Cheevers of Plimptom:

\"He was just an unbelievable person. He and I became very close friends. Maybe a year later, my wife and I went to New York to be present while he played in the New York Philharmonic. He played the triangle. It was about an hour [long] and I think he hit the triangle twice.\"