TG Wood Figures

[jimbo66]

Mike,

Consider yourself the poster child for the \"mindless stupidity on these discussion boards\".

Don\'t read or post if you don\'t like the discussions.

Moron.

[Bally Ache]

Chuckles The Clown

The sprint variant at Aqu Wood Day was 8. IMO split variants are indefensible.

If you\'re going to use Don Six as a yardstick, you can\'t overlook the fact that he was taken over this year by Scott Lake.  He\'s got a long history of moving horses up.  And he definitely moved this horse up.

[davidrex]

     Jimbo,

thanks for having answer to High Roller\'s INQUIRY into gz\'s # and when it occured.

Unfortunetly aFOUL was commited in your last paragraph in deep stretch.

After reviewing the tapes...the result will stand,but both parties will be ordered to attend anger management unless public apologies are to appear on this board within 24 hours.

           PARTYpokerON !

[RICH]

No vested interest here, but Jimbo is ok here. His last paragraph is completely innocent. All he said was, he didn\'t think JB would mind divulging the #. High Roller then developed a bug in his but.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

If I\'m not mistaken the Carter was the Fourth race under Dutrow:

Graveshead
Paoumonok
General George
Carter

Don Six did not approach track record speed in the other 3 despite running a negative 4.1 in the Paumonok. My point being the track on Wood Day was blistering by the 8th, 9th and probably 10th races. Signicantly two other horses matched the track record for 6 marks in the Carter. What this demonstrates to me is that the Wood field utterly collapsed. Survivalist ran a 1.50.66 which is not a bad time most days. Wood day it was abysmal.

The problem with Wood Day in my opinion is that the other races lacked quality with the exception of Foggy\'s race. He did run a 1.21.1 change is my recollection. But i\'m not altogether sure it was his best race. I think he may have regressed in it.

I think Bellamy ran a very good Wood and is a horse to be feared. He may have run a negative 5. But I could see it being a negative 1 too. Maybe its somewhere in between. Silver Charm thinks its a Negative 10, so its a matter of perspective until May 7th.

I have to admit to one significant oversight in my previous post. I was comparing the main to the inner and you can\'t do that. I lost track of the shift from the inner. Still I think theres some merit to the track speed review. The innertube track record is 1.07.4, Don Six ran to within a second of it.



Post Edited (05-02-05 09:39)

[Bally Ache]

Don Six is trained by Scott Lake.  But the same point would apply if it were Dutrow.  The horse would move up.

I don\'t disagree with your point by the way. People around here are fixated on Bellamy Road\'s Wood.  I submit that Consolidator\'s San Felipe is the superior race (of all this years preps).

Smarty had the best prep last year (The Rebel).  War Emblem had the best prep in 2002 (Illinois Derby).

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Bally Ache wrote:

> Don Six is trained by Scott Lake.  But the same point would
> apply if it were Dutrow.  The horse would move up.

Alzheimers set in big time for me on this thread...lol  In all candor I lump those two together, like you said they are fellow travelers.

The thing is though TFigs had Smarty and War Emblem as having run top Preps. They don\'t have Consolidator\'s San Felipe as a top figure prep. I could be wrong, but I think they gave him a 1 for it. I did not break the track down for the day so I can\'t comment. What makes you think that race is better than a 1? I know it was fast. I think they went 8.5 in 1:40 which is scalding raw time.

[Bally Ache]

You answered your own question.  The horse ran a 1:40 flat 1 1/16 in FEB.  Don\'t overlook the two month time differential, these are young horses.

Obviously both tracks were lightning fast on the days in question.  Can anyone say with certainty which was faster?  All things being equal (which they never are), a 1 1/16 in 1;40 flat is superior to 1 1/8 in 1:47.

If you assume that SA is always much faster than AQU then you won\'t buy this.  Which brings us back to your point of how fast AQU was on Wood Day.

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

I\'ll have to acquire the San Felipe charts and break the day down. You\'re raw time points are noted.

[gvido]

Chuck:

You should know better than that. Events as someone equaling/close to a track record while racing at a difeerent distance happens quite often. In the Carter [7f] there was an extra wind aided 1/8th down the backstretch before they hit the 6f juncture.

I thought you were smarter than that, obviously I was mistaken.

[TGJB]

GZ did not get a neg 6 in the BC, and BR is not the fastest of all time. GZ did run two neg 6s before the BC, and BR is the fastest 3yo of all time-- for one race. Left Bank ran neg 3 in 2001, neg 4 in 2002.

Anybody know when Pletcher started using Allday?

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

gvido wrote:

> Chuck:
>
> You should know better than that. Events as someone
> equaling/close to a track record while racing at a difeerent
> distance happens quite often. In the Carter [7f] there was an
> extra wind aided 1/8th down the backstretch before they hit the
> 6f juncture.
>
> I thought you were smarter than that, obviously I was mistaken.
>

Some handicappers pay very close attention to internal fractions and they can reveal great information and betting angles at times. The head wind the quality April 9th Aqueduct runners faced doesn\'t look especially significant to some on the closing fractions. A 1.20.2 is smokin.

If a horse ran a faster six marks in a route than he had ever before in a six mark sprint and collapsed late beaten 14 lengths. All other varibles being equal, how would a handicapper evaluate his chances of running a similar six mark figure turning back next to a six furlong sprint?

If there was a wind affecting the track Wood day, can you be sure it affected the two turn part of the track the same way it affected the one turn part of it? In other words DRF split the variants: 08 for sprints, 10 for routes (factoring, among other conditional races, New York Bred Slow Rats and 10 mark form shifters.)  Do you think they got it right?