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[miff]

\"Nah, Mike, I think you\'re working off of old knowledge\"


Rick,

Think you are confusing Chantal with some other female jockey. Shes riding 11 years, tried NY circuit(tutored personally by Angel Cordero while in NY) with little success, then tried CALI with the same result.Top 10 rider in Canada on more than one occasion but this isn\'t CANADA.

The sexist thing is kinda played out. I think that many owners/trainers would use a very talented female jockey without hesitation.Julie Krone broke that barrier years ago imo, just has not been many really talented female jocks coming down the pike.

Not even close on Rosie N who just may be heading to Cali(or NY/NJ) and could be be top 10 in Cali with good agenting.

Never call you out on anything Rick, I think she\'s very average, you think otherwise.Good Luck!

Mike

[sighthound]

That\'s a great video to watch:   look how quiet those jocks are sitting the horses in the final sixteenth.   There\'s no flailing with the whips, no pumping with the shoulders and arms.  The horses are tired, the horses are fighting it out, and the jocks are trying to just sit there quiet, being as light as they can, not interfering, not throwing off the balance, and letting the horses do all they can.

Great video!

[Footlick]

The trouble started BEFORE the bumping when Chantal whipped Game on Dude left handed, just as Hovedy said.  He pushed into Twirling Candy\'s path and then Twirling Candy moved out and bumped Setsuko.  Sometimes it is not the bumping that should cause a DQ but what caused the bumping in the first place.  Game on Dude was the initiator and the reason Twirling Candy veered in the first place.  That is why Dominguez and Mandella was so mad.  Plus now Setsuko is hurt again.  But it id over now and in the books, so that\'s the way it will be recorded.

[Flighted Iron]

Sight,

 Nothing  more  advantageous  than  having  a  cerebral  and  physical  rider
on  board. I perceive  Pat  Day  as  giving  the  credit  to  the  horse  and  no
shit  riders  try  hard . Point  is: Cordero on Slew o\'Gold  and  Freakin  Greatest  jockey  ever (voted  by  his  peers) on  Gate Dancer  were  as  Day  put
it  \"refused\" .

mjs

[Rick B.]

miff Wrote:
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> Rick,
>
> Don\'t care how many lonshots [Chantal Sutherland] wins
> with,a 4% jockey in Cali.Have seen her blow the turn
> on several occasions in Cali and Canada as her physical
> strength is not in the same area code.She\'s not
> even close to being a top jockey but the most
> beautiful by a pole.
>
> Wanna see a top jockey (female) check out Rosie
> Napravnick
>
> Mike

Miff,

Some food for thought, from recently complete race meetings:

Rosie @ Keeneland: 66 starts, 2 wins, 3% winners, $315,381 in earnings, $4779 earnings per start.

Chantal @ Santa Anita: 147 starts, 16 wins, 11% winners, $1,130,032, $7687 earnings per start.

What does this prove? It *might* mean that you have too high of an opinion of Rosie, and you\'re being too harsh about Chantal\'s riding capabilities.

I find it extremely interesting that Rosie got over 20 mounts per week at Keeneland, while Chantal averaged about 9 per week...so let\'s not have any excuses about how \"tough\" Keeneland is -- Rosie had plenty of chances, every day, while Chantal had to try to not fall asleep waiting for her 2 mounts each day.

We can split hairs about the above comparison all day, but two things came out of it that I believe are beyond refute:

* Chantal Sutherland is NOT a \"4% rider\", as you so breezily dismissed her.

* Rosie N. may very well be a better jock than Chantal one day -- maybe even as good as Julie Krone in the future -- but she got her ass handed to her at Keeneland; clearly, too much, too soon.

[miff]

Rick,

If you knew what you were talking about, we could have a nice dialogue. Comparing the jockey colony at Keeneland and Cali is absurd.Chantal would not get a mount at the Kee meet much less be a factor, Rosie riding mainly longshots(pssst check)

Rick, if you believe that Chantal and Rosie are of equal overall ability, I\'m thrilled you gamble in the same pools as I do.

Mike

[Rick B.]

miff Wrote:
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> Rick,
>
> If you knew what you were talking about, we could
> have a nice dialogue.

Nah, I doubt it, Mike. I was warned about you. The only folks you have a \"nice dialogue\" with are those that agree with you 100%. I\'ve watched you argue with some of the experts here, even TGJB -- stridently, not at all in a \"nice\" fashion -- and you are always right.

> Comparing the jockey colony at Keeneland and Cali
> is absurd.Chantal would not get a mount at the Kee
> meet much less be a factor, Rosie riding mainly
> longshots(pssst check)

1. Chantal, and most any other jock, would get mounts at Keeneland if she had Rosie\'s agent. You know this. Agents make or break jocks, at least in terms of opportunity.

2. I checked Rosie\'s numbers -- did you?

In her last 16 mounts at Keeneland, she was less than 5-1 exactly half the time. She won with NONE of them.

So your assertion that she was riding \"mainly longshots\" is wrong. She simply didn\'t get much done there. Your apologism for her is valiant, but misplaced.

(Also, it should be noted that the same feeding frenzy that caused everything she rode at Fairgrounds to get overbet starting working against her at Keeneland when the betting public saw that she was slumping -- maybe if she would have won an occasional race, someone would have bet her subsequent mounts.)

> Rick, if you believe that Chantal and Rosie are of
> equal overall ability, I\'m thrilled you gamble in
> the same pools as I do.

Mike, if you put THAT much emphasis on the jockey instead of the horse, you are probably losing money. All things considered, Chantal and Rosie are good jockeys that are doing quite well, with bright futures and far, far less separating them than you assert here. Don\'t let your jockey dogma run over your betting karma.

[miff]

Rick, Duh!!

Twenty-three-year-old sensation Rosie Napravnik concluded the 139th Thoroughbred Racing Season at Fair Grounds Race Course & Slots as the meet's leading jockey with 110 wins, becoming the first woman to clinch a riding title at the New Orleans oval.

Rick,

Of course they are equal,okie dokie.

psst, you are delusional if you believe anyone on this site is an \"expert\", there is no such thing unless you drink lots of Kool Aid!


Mike

[Rick B.]

miff Wrote:
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> psst, you are delusional if you believe anyone on
> this site is an \"expert\", there is no such thing
> unless you drink lots of Kool Aid!
>
>
> Mike

So, not even Jerry Brown -- founder, owner of Thoro-Graph -- is of expert status here?

Wow.

Hey, Mike -- that thing I wrote in an earlier post about you always being right? That was sarcasm.

[miff]

Rick,

Just don\'t know any experts in ANY phase of the game, after 40 years, maybe you do.

Good luck!


Mike